you mentioned the websocket a lot of times; and every time i thought it would be similar to a socket like teamspeak or something
even after reading all the browser stuff and everything it still didn't click and was asking myself "why would you even need SSL?"
almost at the end, it finally did; and i was, oooohhhhhhhhhhhh... that's WAY more awesome than i first imagined
derp
@lye, I took the opportunity to check with
Content-Security-Policy: connect-src ws://localhost, but my Chrome still blocks it when the page itself was loaded over HTTPS
Hmm... am I reading this correctly that about 1% of the Chrome users use the very same thing that you want to accomplish? https://www.chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/530
Anyhow, this is where I got it from: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/blink-dev/kX6a99C1FGw/MQSorHYwAQAJ
I'm not really that great with understanding all that stuff, but as far as I understand they want to restrict the pages loaded from the internet communicating to local/intranet servers even further than they are right now
TL;DR: websockets unpossible, stick with Mumble
(i read most of it. really)
I tend to really find those kind of answer unacceptable. Especially if the "solution" is to use the half-assed solution of Mumble.
you ever heard of irony?
Isn't that the thing you use to clean jackets ?
lol
You set up a guildwars2.com dyndns and letsencrypt the certificate through that. private key locally with trusted cert? hurr durr
German eID requires you to get the user to open http://127.0.0.1:24727. You can't nicely include that without them seeing a blank page, or, if they forgot to run the client or installed it wrong an error you can't catch
http://localhost is fun
(not)
Hmm no that won't do, the domain would have to resolve to the user and be accessible there first for that to work...
lyesgw2api.com assigns the client a subdomain, letsencrypts the key, sets the subdomain to resolve 127.0.0.1 and gives the key/cert to the client on an on demand basis
what could possibly go wrong
Question, it's the client that pushes the data for mumble? why can't you just push your own data the way you want, in the same way the mumble data works?
I have another super-dumb idea : have a non-TLS websocket; connect a non-TLS iframe on it; have the iframe interact with his TLS parent through a Flash-powered LocalConnection bridge. Afaik, LocalConnection ignores all http/https or cross-connection issues.
kill flash with 🔥
@Coffee4cr you can't read memory mapped files from a website
@Coffee4cr > issue with not using WebSocket is that no webapp can connect to it. Only locally installed apps would be able to.
ah ok
but it would work for local stuff
@darthmaim hey, Flash is bad, but at least, it would work :p
well, if you are using a plugin to read the data, you could write one just for reading the gw2 data
webrtc data channel between client and browser?
you "only" need to handle signaling
May work if Chrome still has his localhost exception to WebRTC. I've not idea how hard it would be to implement.
That said, WebRTC isn't supported by IE/Edge.
actual signaling server, no localhost
Implement some kind of well supported message queue, open a port and let someone else figure it all out
Coffee4cr @Coffee4cr washes hands
do a contest to figure a way to make it work!
hmm. My personal issue with that is that we use a signaling server for data that could/should only transit on localhost. That seems strange.
well for signaling to work on localhost you would need a secure websocket there ;)
just use superfish/lenovo certificates :P
:D
easy, arenanet just buys relevant 0days to keep it working
reimplement gw2 in webgl
That said, using webrtc could allow for some interesting setups. For example, an companion app on smartphone that monitor the player's data live. Or easy shared data accross players of the same group/guild. As long as it's not data that could be abused to gain an advantage, it could be pretty cool.
hence why we need to make it work
the gw2 client creates a virtual microphone device that transmits the data as audio signals. the web app then requests access to that virtual microphone and.. uhm... uses magic to decode the data?
Thats actually one of the only solutions that could work, the web audio api got really good over the last few years
:D
it could send morse code or binary
lol
getUserMedia seems to allow raw access, so..
Raw access ? we can have anything we want. Binary, String, JSON data, frames... as long as a common structure is defined, we're good.
If it can work, it may be easier on our (the 3rd party) side to setup, rather than websockets.
I need to stop thinking about this or we'll end up with avian carriers
real time data... with a slight delay
:P
:bird:
tbh, even data with a 10s delay is enough for many new kind of apps.
and webrtc's usualy delay is far less than that.
@lye 's gonna have a lot of fun if he tried to read back up I assume
yeah. may be easier for him (her ?) to ask and get a summary by one of the people that participated.
someone write the TL;DR
good luck poor person
btw : yes, my idea of this morning (posted on reddit) was dumb. I shouldn't say what goes through my mind so soon after waking up.
here's another one: let the user enter a webrtc server the game tries to connect to
nothing bad would ever come from this
[uninformed speculation] couldn't a global server using api keys as auth be better ?
let apps directly connect to the relevant game server!
Oh f*ck no.
We get enough connection issues on those already. I don't think they'd like any more.
you notice a trend in my suggestions I hope :P
websocket, not webrtc
that cyber thing.
I guess I like the getUserMedia virtual microphone device best because it's so stupid that it could actually come around and work
Well, you know that WebRTC has raw dataChannels, right ? You wouldn't really need a virtual microphone for that.
(That said, I have in the past inserted data custom trames within a RTMP Stream so that a ppt presentation was shown in sync with the video)
:point_up: 19. April 2016 15:37
did that already, may add zeeZ's morse code solution as it's the currently most obvious one :P
but you need signaling in order to set up webrtc datachannels
heh, fair
which a webapp couldn't do locally again
the initial problem was that a secure webapp can't connect to the game's websocket because it's not secure
IIRC :D
yep
Could it use a self-signed cert?
nope
the browser needs a valid one
but you can get a valid one for localgw2api.com and add A entry to 127.0.0.1
problem with that is, you need to distribute the private key with the gw2 client
well in theory it is possible to distribute a keypair with the client (see a comment by @lye), but well, whats the point in SSL if your keys are publicly known (or well, can be extracted from the client anyway)
hence my idea was lvesgw2api.com abuses letsencrypt to get a key/cert for a subdomain, then after A that subdomain to localhost and hand the key/cert to the client
which... is not all that much better
you don't even need to "abuse" letsencrypt
the CF-style stuff that was linked might be a more elegant solution
the flash thing?
no
:point_up: April 19, 2016 12:22 AM
Cool, I just saw that gw2efficiency has a Find a random achievement for me to do! option; what is my first result?
WvW Premier Season: 6th Place
rip
ah, cloudflare
look for server.crt and server.key next to gw2.dat and have to user figure it out :P
hmm, it gave me daily wvw caravan disruptor, but pretty sure I did that last night.
Next one: Slippery Slubling
it told me to get a "progression" api key, so that'd be an achievement
gw2efficiency is not making it easy for me
"No Shocks Here"
Plasma Weapon Collection... BL skins that I haven't even started... okay well, nvm that randomness XD
darthmaim committed 2 minutes ago: add random achievement route
:P
Wait ... there's two hidden achievements in SAB world 2?
Oh it says world 3.
"Baby's Second Super Adventure"... this link trolls people.
Is the "genie of the box" in the robber part after you beat the world 2 boss?
You mean those achievements? https://en.gw2treasures.com/achievement/871 and https://en.gw2treasures.com/achievement/872
yes
They were not reintroduced this year :(
Ah, so it's not possible right now?
Nope, you can only get them in the introduction area of world 3 zone 1
Which is the genie
I'm curious about the metrics for SAB this year. If it was more or less popular than they expected. Seems like it was very popular.
I want tribulation mode death metrics as a heatmap
That would be so fun. a heatmap of death on overlay to the map's map.
patch hype!
forum is dead for me though
has there been a thought at arenanet to move the patch notes on the website itself instead of the forums?
every time when there's a patch, the forums are not responding :P
oh, I have a strange shaky above my map
?
it's a straight to level 80 item
With this quarterly update, we’re giving all existing and new Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns purchasers a max-level character boost, so you can immediately get one of your characters to the new jungle and Living World content.
This new max-level boost item will be delivered to you in a new, free shared inventory slot, which is yours to keep even after you use the character boost.
Nice, 6 shared slots
I wish those notes would load for me
can we also move those slots to the bottom of the inventory? please? :D
well... the forums homepage loaded for me... now to actually get to the thread
I clicked the link on reddit, which apparently is an incorrect link
same :P
oh, according to the dev tracker, there are no patch notes on the forums.. did they get removed?
also, moto is still yelling that SAB is back for our amusement :P
people are quoting them from somewhere
There's a blog post, and ofc players ingame digging through the game to find as much as possible.
ha
Bug on dungeon frequnter achievement
It says you can get 4 billion AP from it
but at the same time, none
wha ? there's already someone with Chuja & champawat
It looks like you have to do 8 different paths, not just CoF P1 8 times.
ingame dps meter hype
:p
that new special forces training area
@codemasher
websockets unpossible, stick with Mumble
even if my dream is unpossible, websockets are still a better protocol if we have to require a local native app anyway
i don't doubt this ;)
ugh mumble
actually webrtc isn't a bad thing to look into
I hate webrtc and need to re-read the spec but it might actually be usable for this
would be cool!
also I looked in whether we could distribute a private key/cert with the client
we can't -- it breaks the CA requirements (there's a requirement that they revoke any certs whose keys are publicly known)
the only way we can use websockets is if (A) we require consumer pages to not use HTTPS or (B) we use CF-style keyless TLS (e.g., we stand up an TLS challenge oracle that holds the key rather than distributing it).
...and both options are rather suboptimal
well, in a world with unlimited dev resources (B) would work :P
heh
it doesn't seem like the scribing changes are in the API yet
the content server isn't restarted yet afaik
it takes like an hour to patch sometimes -_-
ah, ok
I'll have to remake a pass on the lists to add the new items&recipes (I'm maintaining a name <=> id table in one of my project)
so how is backend support for /v2/pets, buff icons for /v2/items, /v2/itemstats, stat selection for inventories and weapon skills for /v2/professions looking?
(did I forget anything we were waiting on backend support for?)
i think those are all in now
i'm fixing a live server crash right now
(
/v1/event_names.json is disabled for today)
we changed the deploy process for the content server since last time it leaked some goodies before the patch went out
good luck :P
having the old content server running while the new patch is out has triggered some interesting bugs
I am guessing the last leak were the sab achievements?
yep
☑ fixed
☐ not fixed
☐ not fixed
☑ :fire: :fire:
☐ :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:
☐ :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:
You could use websockets if you connected to someone else's server :P
Luckily there's still the microphone idea, right? Right?
lmao
If you ever see a paper about this..
just a heads up: probably not turning on any new endpoints until tomorrow
:+1:
Also, arenanet/api-cdi#286
let me know if
all_worlds should always be present
the current implementation currently omits it if there are no active merges, mostly so it didn't show up in the API before the feature was announced; thinking about just always exposing it
can't hurt to always include it
I don't know if this is something we're just trying out or going to use forever
it's listed as
beta in the release notes
Heart of Thorns Dailies: Specific dailies for Heart of Thorns will only appear in a player’s rotation if they own the expansion
guess the daily endpoint needs adjustments for this (flag if the daily requires HoT?)
hmm crap, I need to look into how that works
I suspect those aren't daily-dailies
(similar to how fractal "dailies" work)
the next sentence is "The following dailies have a chance to replace similar dailies currently in the rotation:"
oof
if they replace the other ones, its probably a little bit more complicated
okay, so that's gonna be broken until the next patch
I'm a little annoyed the gathering dailies might be in HoT areas ... there's no home instance there!
rekt
there's a guild hall though
Although verdant brink gatherer won't be a problem
also the daily completionist (https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/achievements/1840) has now 2G as reward
That's true
@darthmaim it's probably in the chest
also live content servers are still patching
ah, maybe
unless they changed achievements, it's only possible for them to award a single item
and iirc there's no field for coins
I think the hall nodes max out at three gathers though, so it won't be quite enough by itself.
speaking of fractal dailies, https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/achievements/categories/88 only returns 1 achievement
thats probably wrong
didn't they change a bunch of fractal achievements or something
they're probably sitting in the whitelist
(or, the new ones are)
the daily fractal achievements have changed greatly
#fixitlye
"working on it"
:P
literally sitting here waiting for my local content server to patch
and for the live content server to patch
not sure why these are so slow
better slow than not working
arguably, they're not really working if they're not patched
not sure how the API hasn't fallen over yet
Bronze Vale Guardian Trophy doesn't seem to be white listed (Gold and Silver are though)
@Nabrok create an issue for that one; I won't be able to get to it today and will probably forget
ok
thanks <3
oh I'm just dumb, the live content servers are patched up
i just was looking at the wrong thing; I should get more coffee
I like how @lye learns about all the stuff he needs to fix at the same time as us
lot of people working on a lot of things; it's hard to keep track of it all
@Coffee4cr a job where you don't have to learn for the next thing you do is boring, isn't it?
@Coffee4cr We don't know about all the stuff he fixes before we know about it ;)
(tbh, back in highschool i never thought i'd say that one day...)
lol
so the achievement really has 2G as reward
that's pretty awesome
add to that the re-added rewards to dungeons
will we see price inflation on the market?
more money coming in, people selling at higher price
BUY ALL THE THINGS
what
calling hacks
guess you just got some more work :D
oh crap
fml
there totally is a coins field
uhh, that one which otherwise rewards 1 copper when there's no coin reward?
okay, added the coins field in; that'll go out for the next release
super easy fix
:+1:
let's see, bronze vale guardian trophy
whitelisted item 77731, which should be the bronze VG trophy
thanks. I didn't even get to that ticket yet!
:>
I wish I could yell "OK GOOGLE, GW2 2FA CODE" and my phone somewhere in the room would tell me the code. My lazyness is not fully supported yet
get authy (chrome and android)
I hope your friends shout "OK GOOGLE, CALL MOM" at you
sorry I hate those features on phones
and also I'm not a good person
better yet, run through the city shouting "OK GOOGLE, SET ALARM TO 4AM"
They learn and keep getting pickier at voices
Oh god that preview is huge
not on my screen
it is here
first time my wife used "ok google":
Her: "ok google set alarm for ..."
phone: "setting alarm ..."
Her to me: "I just used ok google!"
(phone activates again)
"How do I turn it off!"
phone: "setting alarm ..."
Her to me: "I just used ok google!"
(phone activates again)
"How do I turn it off!"
:point_up: April 19, 2016 9:59 PM pretty much sums me up :D
I
@Nabrok i'm quite sure that's how a non-tech-savvy friend of mine perhaps set an alarm at some point in the middle of the night, and he couldn't turn it off
I'm actually just impressed that ok google understands my accent most of the time
so alarm went off each night until he got a new phone XD
My most common use case is someone is spamming me with messages while I'm stuck in traffic, so I get to yell "OK GOOGLE SEND A MESSAGE TO xyz" followed by profanity and my ETA without ever looking away from traffic
The suspense is amazing when I arrive and get to check what was actually sent
haha
it was the first thin i turned off on all my devices
i HATE it
I played Tom Clancy's End War for a while, which had the gimick that you gave your units voice commands
That one had a hard time with my accent
I really enjoyed End War
:D
and even with my French Canadian Accent it understood me
95% of the time
I have a sort-of scottish accent
I'm from there but been in the US 20 years
So my accent is neither here nor there.
FinFin, that weird dolphin thing was my first contact with gimmicky voice commands
scottish like Shirley Manson? (whose accent is really harsh :D)
ha, now i got it (the edit feature is the best thing here)
I tried using it once, then the option was grayed out
Yeah, she's from the same part of Scotland so probably a similar accent
ahh, just wondered how you'd develop a scottich accent
I grew up there, moved to the US when I was 22.
ok, now it makes sense :D
I go back every couple years and people think I talk funny.
(i don't know why, but i like the scottish accent... XD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tBkM_YQ5UU - I say a few things in this video (from one of the stronghold betas)
fun fact: most of the british/scottish accents are harder to understand for me as non-native english speaker than perhaps any american
I would imagine you mostly hear american accents through TV/movies and less british TV/movies?
no, not exclusively, i'm aware there's more than "bubblegum english" :D
But a lot of british accents are difficult to understand ... even for british people!
i've recently started listening to bbc's local stations - and it's kinda mindblowing :D like "bbc introducing in essex"
is it only for me or is that a general bug, that the tweet doesn't get displayed in it's entirety?
its a bug, you even reported it already :P
(max-height...? may check but too lazy...)
but thomasfuchs tweet, so nothing of value was lost...
i know that i've reported it. well, i didn't report, just tweet :P
i love how you all hate him - do you know where the web would be without him?
gonna leave this here for all the haters http://img.picturequotes.com/1/20/great-minds-discuss-ideas-average-minds-discuss-events-small-minds-discuss-people-quote-4.jpg
good news for those who run ele/necro builds
ele/necro? did i miss secondary professions with HoT? :D
I dunno; I should probably detect and remove cross-profession traits
i really don't get how they happen in the first place :confused:
i just thought of http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Katye_Bloodburner
(that build is glorious! props to whoever made it :D)
would be glorious right, being able to have specialisations cross profession
imagine engineer with ele's fire traitline :D