These are chat archives for arenanet/api-cdi

8th
Jun 2017
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 00:07
yeah definitely not, it's not accessible while the game is running, and it houses the stored passwords so i'll just mark it as off limits
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 01:00
anyone happen to come across the chest icons for the new wvw rewards? Just wondering what image size they are in the dat
JC123
@JC123
Jun 08 2017 01:28
600 x 400
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 01:45
cool, thanks
JC123
@JC123
Jun 08 2017 01:50
that was fast lol
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 01:51
those images look amazing
props to the art team
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 01:51
alex made a wiki widget for uploads (and other stuff) which makes batch uploading sooooo much easier
thus why it got up there so quickly
JC123
@JC123
Jun 08 2017 01:52
oh nice
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 01:53
what about the t3 and t4 wvw backpiece?
i don't see them on the wiki yet
icons
wait, seems they are
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 01:55
it's just not linked to the actual pages yet :D
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 01:55
if someone made the page without moving the images, then tsk tsk
guess I'll do that right away
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 01:57
i don't know how it works :D
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 01:57
oh wait there's anet folks in this chat. All you anet people ignore that above link, I'm totally not uploading images from the dat to the wiki; that's not at all what I'm doing... nope... not at all
there, icons should be updated now
JC123
@JC123
Jun 08 2017 01:58
:joy:
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 01:59
woo
JC123
@JC123
Jun 08 2017 02:00
also File:1676547.png > File:Mini_Captive_Canach.png
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 02:01
right, that's an image update... need admin rights to merge files. Gonna get one of them to do that.
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 02:04
i have 5 mystic clovers, by the end i need 77 for the backpiece, i'll probably still have to wait for the tickets :worried:
meaning i get the clovers passively with reward tracks
argh
JC123
@JC123
Jun 08 2017 02:10
someone upped File:1701386.png as File:Decoration- Superior Shield Generator.png
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 02:11
yeah there's always going to be duplicate because not everyone knows about that page. I'll mark that one as duplicate, but usually I just do a batch check a week after the patch hits (granted haven't done that in a while now...)
JC123
@JC123
Jun 08 2017 02:12
yeah cause theres more lol
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 02:12
yeah....
that's what the bot is for once the wiki pics up on them being duplicates
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jun 08 2017 07:38
@lye :point_up: June 6, 2017 5:08 PM - did any of those changes actually go in? I can't reach pvp/runes, pvp/sigils, pvp/rewardtracks or wvw/rewardtracks ... or does implemented not necessarily mean enabled.
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 07:43
Implemented just means the API frontend js part is implemented, might still need backend support, and enabling is totally independent of both of those
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jun 08 2017 10:56
Okay thank you.
what's the context? :D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 15:13
also, there isn't a chance for the queues to be exposed on the API? :P
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 15:13
Doesn't the little 'this was not sent by arenanet' go away for GM mails, too?
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 15:14
only for official mails iirc
Edgar Doiron
@Coffee4cr
Jun 08 2017 15:14
@Archomeda I was going to say the refresh isn't fast enough...
but
it's been pretty long
took me 45 minutes for a 35 queue last night
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 15:25
i'm gonna cry tonight
my queue is probably gonna pop when i have dinner
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jun 08 2017 15:53
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 15:53
oh ffs :D
i realized in the meantime that what i wanted won't function exactly the way i wanted to do it because of the cache length
i do have an alternative plan though that i might be able to implement today, depending on how much time i spend in raids :)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 16:07
yup, i missed my queue
@ChieftainAlex I need to double check, I think those might be in the next release.
Actually yeah I need to bump those to another milestone
@Archomeda context is basically what it says in-chat lul
I was gonna say the exact same thing but he beat me to it, so I sent him a gold
@Eearslya there's a flag in the mail bit to turn that bit off, but the flag can't be set via the in-game UI. You have to use the GM tools to set it.
(the flag might be inverted, e.g. the client always sets it or something I don't recall)
I don't have access to the GM tools on live, so yeah.
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 16:50
Huh, intredasting.
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 16:57
@lye: did you manage to have a look at how entangled the ui scale settings are?
It seems fine, I just need to submit the changes
I'm adding a uisz field which just has the integer enum value
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 17:00
wow that's awesome
thanks :)
what's the usual turnaround time on deploying something like this?
release after next
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 17:02
i assume it won't be out with the next available client
maybe
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 17:02
so, a couple months?
Yeah release after next, checked the integration schedule.
I can't comment on our release cadence :heart:
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 17:03
oh no i didn't mean now, i meant in general, this is my first time asking for stuff :)
don't know what you mean by release, a ls release or one of the shorter ones
shorter ones
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 17:04
cool, thanks
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 17:16
ah :D
still, that you were about to say it as well, was missing from that context :D
I uhh, do my fair share of trolling.
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 17:34
Has any issue been made for WvW pip exposure?
I don't think so
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 17:35
#542
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 18:16
i whitelisted that this morning
:shrug:
someone spawning in town clothes I guess
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 18:17
same as https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/items/62 but with no empty description field...
/shrug
Quaggan BooOOoot
@QuagganBooOOoot
Jun 08 2017 18:17
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jun 08 2017 18:23
did anyone else think it was weird that the exotic triumphant armor pieces had such low ids? (like 6000, when the max is up to 81530)
not really, that armor set's been in there for a long while
hmm.png
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:25
lol
it's still going up
this isn't how rate limiting works, friend
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:30
also, my queue hasn't moved in like 45 minutes
i thought it was stuck at 46
so i requeued
bad idea
now i'm 64
for 30 minutes :cry:
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 18:31
are those developers not noticing their requests fail?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:31
lol at that ratelimit
failed request? nah just immediately request a new page
I actually don't recall what the maximum ban time is
it's either 1.5x or 10x what the charge reset period is (charge reset = 1min)
really hope that bit works correctly :D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:39
what happens if all wvw servers become full?
given this popularity recently
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 18:43
people go to eotm :p
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:43
no, i meant as in transferring or new players
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 18:44
I'd assume the interest will die down before it averages out to full
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:45
maybe
Edgar Doiron
@Coffee4cr
Jun 08 2017 18:52
did server pop go up?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:52
it's checked once a week right?
Edgar Doiron
@Coffee4cr
Jun 08 2017 18:54
oh ok
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 18:55
wtf, gopro?
image.png
that's about twice the amount of services than adobe ever installs...
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 18:57
wew
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:58
WTF is that even?
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 18:58
just the gopro device software
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:58
what's gopro?
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 18:58
you don't know what a gopro is?
Edgar Doiron
@Coffee4cr
Jun 08 2017 18:58
camera
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:58
just... a camera?
wtf
Edgar Doiron
@Coffee4cr
Jun 08 2017 18:58
Do you live under a rock?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:59
i don't use cameras
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 18:59
and fuck lmgtfy :P
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 18:59
haha :P
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 18:59
you asked for it
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:00
But I'm guessing that those are all distinct services you can disable each on their own
better than throwing them all into one process
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:00
haven't tried it yet
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:00
so you at least have control over it
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:00
what? i'm not using cameras at all, so why should i know about it?
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:00
let's hope that's the reason^^
@Archomeda that's basically common knowledge
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:01
if you're into cameras maybe
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:02
no?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:02
yes?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:02
no
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:02
def not :P
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:02
when should i have heard about it then?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:02
when you crawled out from under your rock the last time :D
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:03
lmao savage :D
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:03
:P
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:03
/sigh
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:03
haha
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:04
you've probably seen more gopro videos than you want to admit :D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:04
how would i even know
Edgar Doiron
@Coffee4cr
Jun 08 2017 19:04
lol
go pro are everywhere
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:05
never seen it here
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:05
the slight fisheye view is usually a sign ;)
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:05
if its some kind of on board camera (on car, helmet, ...) its gopro
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:05
drone!
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:05
yes drones too
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:05
ups
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:05
lol
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:06
ahrg XD
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:07
the only camera i use is in my phone
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:07
well, i wouldn't want to strap my phone onto a drone
(wow, that rhymes!)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:07
i don't own a drone :P
nor a car
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:08
poor thing
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:08
and a helmet? :O
i just borrow my dad's car
and that one doesn't have a camera :P
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:08
but every self-respecting dutchman has a bike, eh?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:08
yeah?
but i don't wear a helmet
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:09
there are chest mounts so you don't even need a helmet
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:09
there are mouth mounts too :D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:09
-_-
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:09
and dog mounts!
(no joke!)
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:09
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:10
just... whyyyy
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:10
its closer to normal eye level than a chest mount
and follows head movements
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:10
lmao
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:14
...dat rate limiting, wow
Edgar Doiron
@Coffee4cr
Jun 08 2017 19:14
didn't they mount one to a squirrel too
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:14
probably
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:14
oh shit pax tickets are GO
may the odds be ever in your favor
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:15
I'm 14 minutes late
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:15
hahaha, dat squirrel
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:15
I don't like my odds
Edgar Doiron
@Coffee4cr
Jun 08 2017 19:15
oh they didn't mount it, they just stole it
ditto
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:15
godspeed my friend
Edgar Doiron
@Coffee4cr
Jun 08 2017 19:16
I guess image stabilization isn't squirrel proof
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:16
you need to install more services for that
Edgar Doiron
@Coffee4cr
Jun 08 2017 19:17
lol
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:17
wow how does it run around so easily with a gopro
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:18
a gopro weighs almost nothing
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:19
Even still, having to hold it with two paws, and still running/climbing/jumping?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:19
they should make another brand called gitgud
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:19
lol
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:19
@Eearslya i'm about to find out - there's a making-of video
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:21
image.png
nuts glued to it
that's how i'd do it too :D
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:22
Oh, so did it carry it in its mouth?
smiley
@codemasher
Jun 08 2017 19:23
yep
WARNING: If you try this, be prepared to lose your camera. Or climb a tree ;)
that seagull is the cheaper version of the Karma tho :D
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:35
c'mon showclix I believe in you
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:35
fuuuck
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 19:36
rip
I got in the queue at the same time and I'm honestly considering just giving up
15min late usually means only monday is left -_-
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:46
All Saturday tickets are currently held in carts. There is limited inventory remaining for Friday and Sunday tickets.
oh shit my queue popped
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 19:48
:clap:
fri/sun still available
whoo got a sunday pass this year hype
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:50
I got all four <3
damnnnn son you made of money or something
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:51
I live with my parents and I have a job in IT
I'm jelly
rent is expensive
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 19:53
go live with @Eearslya's parents too
that's a long commute
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:57
which one are you guys, main st or 139th?
139th
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:58
what time do you start? 8?
I usually get in around 9:30
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:58
and it just won't calculate a public transport route
lol yeah no thanks
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 19:59
typically 55mins - 2h10....
that's a really wide range of time
traffic on I-5 can be really bad sometimes
I wake up at like, 8:50 and sleep/read on the 20 minute bus ride in.
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 19:59
I hope parking at pax is as easy as it was last year
20 minutes goddamn
lucky
My job is a little less than half the distance that ANet is and it's still consistently an hour
both ways
Will ANet make an official appearance at PAX?
doubt it
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 20:02
damn
we haven't done PAX for years
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 20:02
well at least the important dev is coming
actually we did do a developer-meetup kind of thing didn't we?
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 20:02
Wasn't stephane there last year?
I remember some sort of exclusive party
@StephaneWithAnE_twitter are we doing the dev meetup thing at pax again this year
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 20:03
some devs were there, because a wiki user got an autograph, I remember that much
I don't even remember what happened in previous years
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 20:03
I think last year you guys piggybacked on corsair
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 20:03
you had one at gamescom a few years back too :(
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 20:03
or maybe that was 2015
the corsair bit sounds familiar
was that at PAX West though?
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 20:03
I remember getting a mini egg so yes
huh.
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 20:04
I think it turned out to be a hylek mini
sad
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 20:19
hah not the only one who likes to sleep in to the fullest
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 20:22
I have an alarm at 5:30AM, and a second alarm at 6:00. And a third at 6:45. Entirely for the purpose of sleeping between alarms.
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 20:22
nice
I do 8:20, 8:30, 8:40, check bus timing 8:45-50
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 20:23
nothing feels better than knowing the discomfort of waking up, only to return to the bliss of sleep
6:00-6:45 is technically supposed to be my 'lay in bed and catch up on chats' time
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 20:24
I have an alarm at a time
and ignore it for at least an hour
the best feeling is waking up at 3 am
checking your phone in slight panic
and being reassured that you can still sleep forever
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 20:26
RIP Weekend badges, 12:00PM - 1:09PM
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 21:05
@lye, ever got that 2m loading screen bug?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 21:11
weapon models, player characters, and npcs all disappeared :(
@Archomeda yeah, it's been on our radar for over a year.
It's probably something involving the model loading pipeline; it triggers like once/fortnight for me when I'm using tonics.
Which is why I avoid using tonics these days >_>
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 21:24
i didn't even use tonics at all D:
savage
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 21:28
I like it when people tell me how to play chrono because "they main the class"
... I have only spent like 2k hours on it
no biggy
somehow its mostly chrono players that are like that
dunno why
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 21:30
actually
according to our commander last night, he fixed it by using a tonic
specifically he used the ascalon ghost tonic before waypointing
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 21:33
well, at least the loading times out after 2 minutes and it lets you in the map
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 21:38
also, at least the client doesn't crash :D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 21:50
i'm playing a guard on an invisible staff, woop
just killing people with my bare fists!
Darqam
@Darqam
Jun 08 2017 21:56
wave of energy emitting fists that is
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:05
hello; i like what you guys have done with the place :)
oh hey there cliff
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 22:06
heyo .o/
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:06
i didn't know this whole public collaboration existed
yeah it was super easy to rope a whole bunch of people in for QA
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 22:06
:P
A little easier than the early days with you just on the forum
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:07
yes
does lye == lawton?
yep!
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:07
ahh cool
i was at arenanet last year for my birthday but I think you weren't around
I was out for like ... six months last year lol
adventure and all
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:08
oh, that might be it lol
pat told me that you guys have deleted as much of my code as possible :)
is it scary that i now write software for self driving cars? :)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:08
:wave:
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 22:08
uh oh :D
can those cars render guild emblems? because we still can't do that :D
I thought you were at SpaceX writing rocket control UI
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:09
i was on flight software at SpaceX, yeah
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 22:09
oh jeez it's cliff
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:09
but then i went to tesla to work on autopilot and now i'm at Waymo working on the same kind of thing
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 22:09
act natural
ACT NATURAL
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:10
lol
I don't think we deleted that much of your code.
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:10
how did you find this place? :D
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:10
lol
i found it because i check in on guild wars 2 from time to time!
All the API StServers still exist, for example
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:11
hopefully not SpamSrv
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:11
cool!
SpamSrv is still running on live :|
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:11
oh god, i'm sorry :(
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:11
what? :D
It's okay, I've never interacted with it!
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 22:11
do we want to know what exactly that is?
uhhhhh
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:12
shortly (days) before we launched guild wars 2 i discovered that A) the 'report spam' button didn't work and B) there was nothing to review the reports
@cliffspradlin given that it doesn't have like, a normal webconsole
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:12
and i thought, gee that could be a problem
so i whipped something together; it was supposed to only last for days/weeks until something better could be done
Maybe Chris Cleary uses it, this is interesting
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:13
ahaha
was it only reporting spam? or every report?
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 22:14
SpamSrv sounds like an IRC service
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:14
everything
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:14
hmm, yeah that could've been a problem :D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:14
"it was supposed to only last for a few days"
^this is CS in a nutshell
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 22:15
I've written that kinda code
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:15
yeah..
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 22:15
//@TODO: burn this fucker to the ground and try again
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:16
i've been involved with a bunch of different software projects; from like the 'do whatever it takes to get things done' phase to the 'the code is working, now lets go fix all the hacks that the early people did (was this their first c++ program?!)' phase
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:17
its so easy to fix it for what it needs to do now
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:17
yeah..
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:17
having the guts to reengineer parts that are broken, that is what defines a good software developer
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:17
can you come and fix the loading screen bug in wvw? :D
hehe
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:17
i thought about asking if i could go write some arenanet code again for fun
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:17
@Archomeda have you had "Software Reengineering"
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:18
arenanet code is the best
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:18
you were at the TUD right
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:18
yes
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:18
that was a fun course ^^
glad I did that even though I had to remote it
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:18
meaning, yes i was at TUD, but i never had that course
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:20
https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/quaggans for sure my favorite API
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:20
andy zaidman, rings a bell maybe?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:20
nah
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 22:20
I'm trying my very hardest to write GW2Oracle correctly the first time, but it's slowing down development immensely
I keep reading articles
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:20
the Server header is the best @cliffspradlin
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 22:20
watching talks
it's unhelpful
I've tried to move to docker at least 3 times and finally decided to curb it
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:21
heh cute
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:22
that was @tivac right?
who did the header
@cliffspradlin we just opened up a web programming slot if you wanna toss a resume in: https://boards.greenhouse.io/arenanet/jobs/725064
:P
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:22
aw :)
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:23
omg cliff :wave:
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 22:23

4+ years

i crie

cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:23
omg
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:23
Server header is my fault
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:23
sorry about my horrific gravatar; it's embarassing
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 22:23
why do most gravatars end up being space invaders
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:23
well mine still has GW2 behind my giant head so....
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:23
lol
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:23
well thats technically not wrong right
when the picture was taken
you were at anet ^^
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:24
Sure sure
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:24
:wave: @tivac
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:25
@tivac i'm at google now; i decided to retire early lol
i was trying to save it for the end of my career
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:25
How was it finally getting away from Elon
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:25
bittersweet?
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:25
I have this image in mind of him threatening to shoot you into space if you leave
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:25
i talked to him the day i left
lol
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:25
jelly
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:26
i think i put my time in
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:26
very jelly
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:26
yeah Mo & I had a sad chat a bit before I left anet
that was hard
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 22:26
"You see this SpaceX rocket? We can add a chair to it. An ejector chair."
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:26
you wat?
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:26
oh did you not hear?
I am the captain now
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:26
i totally did not hear
what
your linkedin says you're at arenanet
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:26
I started at Amazon Game Studios this week
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:26
oh wow
with other pat?
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:26
also yes, Lawton's in charge
haven't seen him but he's kicking around somewhere supposedly
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:27
awesome, congrats :D
are you doing web programming there?
also, i had a sad chat with Mo too when I left
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:27
Yeah, doing ui stuff for Crucible
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:28
oh huh
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:28
I sit like two desks away from Kate
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:28
is this what steve bikun is working on?
aww i haven't talked to kate in forever
i think i last saw her at disneyland
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:28
Looks like steve moved over to a different dept
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:28
i see
i'm forever apologetic to her about banning 'back buttons' from the UI :)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:29
D:
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:29
lol
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:30
she should have just told me i had no idea what i was talking about
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:30
wait, back buttons where
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:30
GW2 UI
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:30
mostly like in the trading post
i just felt like back buttons would make it feel like a website
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:30
haha Cliff we all assumed but you ended up getting it right anyways most of the time
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:30
lol
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:31
I dislike global back buttons
ala android
but browser back button would have been cool
on the tp
except for that my heal spell is on the actual "back"
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:32
I think multiple back buttons have snuck in over time
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:32
trying to find them
yeah, hero panel
but thats more "tab" like
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:32
@tivac are you liking amazon?
google is pretttttttty comfortable
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:33
@cliffspradlin there's a lot to learn, and even more to unlearn
despite the number of anet people here it's a very different feeling
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:33
interesting
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:33
glad GOOG's going well though!
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:33
isnt that good tho? a change of pace
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:33
I've been following this uber spat w/ interest, it's very salacious
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:33
perhaps, but arenanet was pretty great :)
no kidding
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:34
@windwarrior nothing wrong with change, it's just harder than not-change!
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:34
^^
but my biggest fear is getting stuck in my ways
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:34
I should've shipped a joke API to live before I left
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:34
that is when you stop learning :)
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:35
whoops
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:35
yeah, i mostly left arenanet to learn all new things
wait, so /quaggans isn't a joke API? :)
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:35
No, it's the most serious API
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 22:35
ship the emoji API
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:35
ohhhh my mistake
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:35
Kekai's here I wonder if I could get him to draw more quaggans and let anet use 'em
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:35
are there emoji's in guild wars now...?
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:36
I added a few he'd done after leaving years back lol
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:36
i miss the internal art blog
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:36
yeah, I think that died a long time ago
that made me sad
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:36
the closest thing here is like once a week updates about industrial design changes to the cars..
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:36
haha not quite the same
Glad you finally "made it" though! You were talking about self-driving cars at google forever ago
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:37
yes :)
it all worked ! it's cool that you remembered :)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:37
you have an impressive track record @cliffspradlin
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:37
that's what i was optimizing for
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:38
we've chatted once or twice ;)
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:38
i know
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:38
may I (impolitely) ask how long you have "carreered"
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:38
umm
12ish years?
a part of me though wishes i could have gone to the google car team back when i first wanted to
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:38
I am sort of on the edge of my university carreer
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:38
i could have been part of the original 'compensation plan' like the one that got anthony $120 million
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:38
so its quite interesting to see what my future might hold :)
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:38
oof
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:39
it's fine, working on space ships, electric cars, and video games is a worthy substitute :)
interestingly i get waymo stock rather than google/alphabet stock
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:40
damn, nice!
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:40
so it might work out in the end
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:41
thanks for the remind Cliff, LinkedIn updated
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:41
:)
also don't forget resume.txt
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:41
lol
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:41
i'm an efficient stalker
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:42
wow I've been a real programmer for 10 years next month
time flies
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 22:42
hi
Quaggan BooOOoot
@QuagganBooOOoot
Jun 08 2017 22:42
Stay. Eat. Be well.
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:42
cool, what did you do before anet :)?
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 22:42
you guys talking about missed chances? :)
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:42
real professional
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:42
yahoooooooooooooooo
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:42
I have to .. you know, make up my mind what I wanna do after university
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:43
yeah I'll get to the resume later, shouldn't need it for a while I hope
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:43
how about trying to implement some geoengineering to combat global warming?
like Marine Cloud Brightening? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_cloud_brightening )
lol pat
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:44
that sounds cool and terrifying at the same time
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 22:45
that sounds a bit like the matrix
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:45
but Cliff if you ever need some web UI stuff you know who to call :kissing_heart:
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:45
:)
of course
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:45
maybe this time I'll even get hired!
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:46
if we were to paint the sahara white, would be completely combat global warming? How much paint do we need
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:46
a lot of paint
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:46
sand has this nasty habit
of MOVING AROUND ALL THE TIME
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:46
indeed lol
but.. there's a chance that doing this will destroy the ozone layer
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:47
I love that you have these links on-hand ready to paste cliff
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 22:47
I thought its coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:47
lol
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:47
yeah I kinda am scared of meddling with the chemical balance of clouds
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:47
so this kind of geoengineering negates global warming, but it doesn't stop ocean acidification because it doesn't remove CO2 from the air
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:47
at least tthe sahara does not have an infinite supply of sand
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:47
sounds a bit like
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:48
@tivac a group of people came to google x to talk about this stuff a couple weeks ago, it's been on my mind
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:48
so eventually you'll be done with painting ;)
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:48
yeah, the marine cloud brightening is a lot like cloud seeding
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:48
hah, that's a bit less magical
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 22:48
can you imagine what the chemtrail people would say about cloud manipulation? :D
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:48
well, i don't think they'd complain that much
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:48
they'd finally be right!
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:49
because it's not really chemicals; the way they were proposing doing it is literally just shooting salt water really high up into the air
"finally chemtrails have been acknowledged as real"
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:49
Salt is a chemical cliff
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:49
and then clouds would form around the salt
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:49
everything is chemicals
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:49
ok professor
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:49
but arent you afraid of some unforseen connection, some butterfly effect
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 22:49
pat: watch too much tim minchin? :D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:50
after all, I dont think we as humans completely comprehend how clouds, the ozon layer and climate interact
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:50
with the cloud brightening approach no because it would dissipate as soon as you stop the machines. the 'inject sulfuric acid into the stratosphere' approach yes, it could cause unforeseen side effects and it takes about 6 months to dissipate
@windwarrior this is well-documented in sci-fi: "We don't know who struck first, us or them, but we know that it was us that scorched the sky."
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 22:50
lmao
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:50
nice
it really is like the matrix lol
actually they said if we did inject sulfuric acid into the stratosphere it would make sunsets much more vivid
because of all the extra reflections
but the estimated cost is only about ~$5 billion for a year
someone could just send up a balloon to deposit the sulfur privately
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:52
'Id like to request a permit'
what do you wanna do?
hear me out
I wanna shoot balloons up to the stratosphere to deposit chemicals to make the sun more vivid
yeah... no
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 22:53
i think they'll blink a few times
and staring at you for a while
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 22:53
"but... but... it'd be the most romantic sunset ever..."
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:53
one of the concerns is that because it would fix most of global warming, people will stop reducing carbon emissions
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:53
oh yeah
I dont get that in trumpian politics, unrenewable fuels are unrenewable
like we can either stop with them now
or be forced to stop with them sooner or later
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 22:54
well from hungary it doesn't seem like the guy is thinking that far ahead
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:55
so, whats the point in denying climate change, if that what is a big contributor to it is doomed anyway
we can't keep using fossil fuels anyway, and on the slim chance (in trumps mind) that it is actually destroying our earth
... we might as well try to stop now, no?
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:56
i didn't know that fusion reactors still create irradiated particles and can blow up in the same way fission reactors can
it seems kind of pointless with that perspective
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:57
huh but why
tritium leakage looks like
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:58
because fusion reactors produce neutron streams, and when neutron streams hit things they knock things out of the things causing them to become radioactive
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 22:58
is that also happening on the sun?
because thats what we are trying to replicate no
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 22:59
no; the fusion reaction in the sun is different than the one we're trying to do here
the sun fuses hydrogen and produces helium byproducts
terrestrial fusion fuses deuterium and tritium
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:00
ah yeah, reading about it now ^^
Is fusion really necessary within the next century when we have more conventional green power sources?
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:02
the issue is energy storage
Right
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:03
if we have cheap efficient energy storage, then maybe it's less important
we have efficient solar panels now at least, which people didn't predict
i kinda feel like a good interim solution would be renewable power sources plus better fission
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 23:04
solar panels are almost fusion, using the one working fusion reactor we got :P
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:04
true
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:04
battery tech is notoriously slwow tho
fusion reaciton by proxy
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:04
better fission, yeah. have you read about the lftr reactors?
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:04
yeah
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:04
interesting concept if they can make it work
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:04
has anyone made a full size molten salt reactor yet?
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:05
at the very least less prone to blow up
i think china is working on one
been a while since i read up on the progress
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:05
I honestly think that everything "nuclear" has its name stained too much already
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:05
thats the problem :(
with good reason, too
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:05
like, there are companies at work to create new generation reactors
which are kinda cool
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:06
problem with liquid salt reactors is that the fuel production companies for conventional reactors will fight it tooth and nail since they're no longer needed
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:06
but they will forever have to live with the reputation their 50s and 60s counterparts gave them
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:07
so yeah, i think working on solving global warming or maybe cleaning up the oceans would be cool careers :)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:08
there is so much cool stuff :>
world still full of mysteries and mistakes
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:11
i've been searching for a glimpse of what a non-dystopian future looks like where menial labor is replaced by robots (like truck driving, taxis etc as an obvious example)
like even if you fix the economic problems and everyone has 'enough' money, what will people do with all their spare time
there are easy dystopian answers to this
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:11
(javascript)
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:11
lol
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:12
:D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:12
well, we managed to do that so many times already
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jun 08 2017 23:12
Play guild wars 42
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:12
when human kind started farming over gathering
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:12
i think this 'revolution' is a lot different than previous ones
previous ones generally created a new class of jobs while removing previous ones
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:13
maybe kurzweil's new book will have some insights on that if it ever comes out (the singularity is nearer)
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:13
but like when 3 million truck driving jobs go away, what replaces them
oh, i'll follow it
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:13
I think we can't and should not try to comprehend that
we can argue about history
because it happened
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:13
the reason i'd like to talk about it is so that we can help guide humanity into the new reality
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:13
and so far, any revolution in mankind has not killed us off yet
but, asking a 1830s person what would be the impact of the steam engine
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:14
lol
or cell phones
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:14
yeah any of these revolutionary technologies really
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:14
that's an interesting argument; it's like how we can't comprehend higher dimensions or how time started
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:14
their full impact is almost never predicted to an accurate level
but yeah, doesnt stop us from having to argue about it
I just think humankind is pretty resourceful
and can adapt to new circumstances pretty well
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:17
that might be true, we might have to go through an anarchy and come out a different civilization
i guess my thought is that if we could see a good path forward, we could reduce the severity of the anarchy, kind of like psychohistory in Asimov's Foundation series
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:19
but seeing that path, that is where I think we will have the biggest issue ^^
Ramsey Stone
@rstone
Jun 08 2017 23:20
Hi I'm here for the molten salt reactor conference? I was told this was the right place
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:21
rofl
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:21
:D
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:21
@tivac ^
ramsey we always have the most boring user names
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:22
lol
:wave: @rstone
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:23
speaking of the future @rstone is a flight software engineer at SpaceX
he's actually working on rocket software, whereas i was just a poser
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:23
ok this gitter now has nothing to do with GW2 APIs and is instead "former arenanet programmer chat"
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 23:23
hahahaha
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:24
feel free to stay/go depending on your interest level
Ramsey Stone
@rstone
Jun 08 2017 23:24
No we can talk about GW2 APIs!
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:24
you guys all work/worked at anet?
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:24
Ramsey's profile pic is intense
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:25
it is
yes
ramsey stone is the former lead server programmer
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:25
ah
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 23:25
not me! i'm just interested in the api :P
oh wait, you should know that
i confused the name
Ramsey Stone
@rstone
Jun 08 2017 23:26
It's.... old
Archomeda @Archomeda walks away slowly
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:26
I am also just interested in the API, and anything computer science, or philosophical or ... eh anything really
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:26
add me as a "could have", was invited to join the engine team by Jim Scott back in 2004, but being from hungary, being young and being in the middle of an indie mmo project made me not even consider the option
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:26
Sorry gang the "APIs" have it
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:26
huh interesting
lol
pat's kicking us out :(
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:26
we'll have to take our molten salt reactor talk and reminiscing elsewhere
(I had actually left this channel until I got @tivac'd lol)
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:27
so now i'm stuck writing an overlay for gw2 :D
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 23:28
Do you not play GW2 much, tivac?
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:28
hardly ever at this point, @Eearslya
Ramsey Stone
@rstone
Jun 08 2017 23:28
@tivac you guys should make an API development DIscord
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:28
YOU WOULD SAY THAT RAMSEY
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:28
lol
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 23:28
hehe sorry @tivac
that header is hunting you
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:28
np lol
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:29
@tivac played guild wars 2 a LOT during development
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:29
@Eearslya I played GW2 for years and years before it was done
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 23:29
we actually discussed a discord briefly
@tivac how well did that work?
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:29
by the time it came out for real I was already pretty burned out
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:29
ramsey made the Discord overlay at Discord before it was Discord
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:29
always an adventure
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 23:29
oh wow
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:30
Cliff and Ramsey left arenanet to go and do some stuff
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:31
when i started at arenanet, we had almost daily play sessions of GW2 as a company where we'd all stop what we're doing and just play
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:31
(most retarded bug you found that way?)
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:31
ummm
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:31
The thing I remember the most is the game mechanics that just didn't work at all
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:31
yeah :)
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:31
like when all combat used your stamina
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:32
oh and the megaphones :)
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:32
it and only recharged out of combat
unless you bought stamina potions off the gemstore
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:32
ouch
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:32
oh god
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:32
(or via gold)
yeah there was all sorts of wild experiments
also the console/controller UI experiment
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:32
ohyeah
hey at least we all got xbox controllers out of that :)
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:33
that was a painful few weks unti it got reverted
I still had my original wired 360 controller from that
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:33
me too!
BoyC
@BoyC
Jun 08 2017 23:33
i heard that a never materialized ps3 port left the 3d engine in a bit of a messy state?
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:33
Actually now that I think about it the one at my house might be the one arenanet bought
oops
There's definitely still console port engine code kicking around
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jun 08 2017 23:34
parting gift
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:34
most of it got repurposed for one thing oranother afaik
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:34
i think the biggest problem i remember was just how do you communicate on a console in an MMO
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:34
I gave arena.net a parting gift :smiling_imp:
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:34
it's a really hard problem
huh
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:35
lol no
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:35
robot takeover?
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:35
I forgot to do that for that site, oops
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:35
making it work on the monstrosity that was a PS3s architecture might have been hard :P
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:35
being a lead made me a terrible programmeer
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:35
lol
oh are you a manager at amazon?
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:35
Nope
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:37
you planning any trips to teh bay area?
if so ping me :)
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:38
Not currently but if I do find my way down there again I certainly will give you a call
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:38
yay
i can give you a demo of a robot car. it's simultaneously amazing and boring
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:38
hahaha yesssssss
well the last time you showed me your workplace it was literally a rocket assembly plant
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:38
:)
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:38
so anything else was bound to be a letdown
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:39
yeah... :(
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:39
thats the best tech, boring to the innocent observer, amazing to the geeks with technical questions
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:39
lol
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:39
i actually just gave some people a tour of SpaceX last week
ramsey let me in :)
it's my favorite tour to give
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:39
hahaha
it's a very, very cool tour!
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:39
I remember walking in the museum thing that hosts the Endeavor
in LA
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:40
oh yeah
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:40
walk into random hangar
sudden space shuttle
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:40
the thing that got me (and still does) was the falcon landing leg next to mission control
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:40
oh pat :)
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:40
and just how motherfucking huge it was
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:40
that is awesome, but they have now put a whole rocket up outside
a rocket that went to space and came back to earth
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:40
elon musk always did know how to advertise
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:40
it's sitting on its legs :)
yeah
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:40
that's cool as hell
right next to his boring company pit?
XD
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:41
actually yes
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:41
I make these jokes knowing full well it's probably true
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:41
real conversation that i had as we approached SpaceX by car: 'huh, i wonder when they put in that water tower'
'wait a minute. that's not a water tower, it's a space ship!'
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:41
haha that's awesome
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:42
the boring company had some equipment nearby
they completely tore up the main surface parking lot for SpaceX...
i can't imagine that spacex people are happy about it
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:43
oh yeah; i think they're working on making it vertical
and they'l have like a spiral walkway around it
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:43
yeah they recently got one of those orange tanks
and still had two boosters laying around
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:43
oh i hope not lol
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:43
cus you know, you find those in your backyard
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:43
those boosters are incredibly dangerous
maybe already-used boosters i hope? :)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:43
I hope so too
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:43
one thing i learned at spacex is that when you light a solid rocket, you can't put it out
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:44
probably spent & recovered
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:44
I learned that in KSP
:')
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:44
lol
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:44
hell yeah you can't :fire:
you can even see the booster in google maps
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:45
huh that satellite photo is super out of date
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 23:45
woot, new build inc
at least i now don't have to deal with the 2 minute loading screens because of the model bug in wvw -_-
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:46
@tivac you can see how i confused it for a water tower
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jun 08 2017 23:46
(just ignore me, continue your conversation! :D)
Michael Dougall
@madou
Jun 08 2017 23:46
x marks the spot
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:46
it's white and is much taller than the spacex factory
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Jun 08 2017 23:46
oh for sure
afk for a while, it's been fun!
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:46
yeah!
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:47
It has been planned for a new facility to be built with Endeavour attached to an external fuel tank and the two solid rocket boosters and raised in an upright position, as if Endeavour were to make one more flight.
yeah, they are planning on attaching boosters
I am not crazy
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:48
awesome, i will visit when they're done for sure
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:48
space shuttle, awesome tech that is completely unviable
inviable?
not viable
cliffspradlin
@cliffspradlin
Jun 08 2017 23:53
After NASA awarded ET-94, the last existing flight external tank, to the Science Center in 2015, it became evident that a flight-worthy set of solid rocket boosters were critical for the planned display — not only to maintain authenticity, but to also ensure seismic structural safety.
gotta complete the set lol
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jun 08 2017 23:53
yep!