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4th
Jul 2017
IT IS HAPPENING
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 08:35
:O
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 08:41

and this: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitter/webapp/issues/1399#note_34080592

Don't know a single person that doesn't curse whenever gitter expands big blocks of code

darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 08:44
9 issues containing "GitLab", 553 containing "GitHub" :D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 11:32
heh, i don't buy anything from DF anymore ever, i had not-so-great experiences with them with a game they made
greated a mod that, sure, kind of broke out of the sandbox environment they made, but instead of contacting me for details and saying they will be updating it to fix it, they just fixed it without any notification at all, even their changelog was vague and non-descriptive
so my mod broke until someone else messaged me
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 11:35
was it supposed to be moddable? because its pretty standard for updates to break mods
see for example Minecraft, a game that thrives on its modding
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 11:36
yes, it supported it natively through lua scripting
they even had steam workshop enabled for it
the least they could've done is make the changelog descriptive, but instead it said nothing they fixed an exploit related to breaking out of the modding sandbox
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 11:37
I came up with a game idea at work, so in my break I am looking up shadow volumes :')
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 11:37
since i checked the changelog as soon as i saw there was an update
not that it mattered that much in the end afterwards
i found another exploit by just changing the lua bytecode in-memory in order to break out the sandbox...
they never fixed that one afaik
lol @windwarrior
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 11:39
I kinda need light volumes but thats basically shadow volumes reversed :')
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 11:39
also, those gitter issues
created 2y ago
556 issues in total wow
for just a webapp
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 11:41
creating a new issue for every embed they want to support :(
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 11:42
-_-
i want to get rid of it
or at least, not have it expanded by maximum width
discord has it way better
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 11:43
yep
WTF WHY
why do you want that
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 11:43
just wanted to post that
:D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 11:43
:-1: that
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 11:44
just have a small box, not higher than 100px at max to show meta title, description image
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 11:44
ah rip, to properly use shadow volumes... geometry shaders are needed
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 11:44
be done with it
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 11:44
and webgl doesnt suppor that
but shadow mapping is just terrible q.q. Jagged shadows all around
why is everything with GPUs always hard
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 11:56
gpu hardware
/shrug
Quaggan BooOOoot
@QuagganBooOOoot
Jul 04 2017 11:56
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/shrug
Quaggan BooOOoot
@QuagganBooOOoot
Jul 04 2017 12:40
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 12:41
lol
wow
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 12:51
basically just a shadowban
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 12:51
haha, they are generating a md5 of the message and counting how often the user posted messages with the same hash
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 12:52
the more i see, the more i think it's just a student's hobby project
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 12:52
yep
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 12:52
i can't call gitter a professional chat application anymore
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 12:53
but now I know @QuagganBooOOoot can respond to /shrug 100 times in 12 hours before getting banned again
I could add a check for that
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 12:53
lol
good spam detection, right there
in order to make a good detection system, it needs to be dynamic
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 12:54
if you detect the spam detection
you have a spam detection detector
Archomeda @Archomeda sighs
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 12:55
and if Gitter then detects the spam detection detector, they have a spam detection detector detector
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 12:55
you know they won't have such a system ever
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 12:55
/shrug
Quaggan BooOOoot
@QuagganBooOOoot
Jul 04 2017 12:55
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [92 remaining]
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 12:56
i'm still thinking of a good spam detection for one of my discord bots on a server of 1000+ people
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 12:56
haha change the shrug message to "shrug someHash"
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 12:56
apparently that discord server gets raided sometimes due to it being called "The Raiders Inn"... despite it being for gw2 raids heh
haha
that's how gw2 gold seller bots work, kind of
just append a random string of x characters
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 12:57
I could add a ![invisible](image#hash)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 12:58
invisible? invisible!
nop
it's just a broken image, if it doesn't exist haha
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 12:58
someLaTeXcommentmaybe some LaTeX comment maybe
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 12:58
the [invisible] is the alt text
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 12:58
i suppose you can upload a 1px image to the github repo and reference that
oh god, it supports latex?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 12:59
there ya go :P
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 12:59
pff
still a broken image
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 12:59
yes gitter supports LaTeX
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 13:00
its empty for me
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:00
image.png
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 13:00
image.png
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 13:00
anyhow, I dont think gitter is unprofessional. Programming is just terrible
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:00
firefox?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 13:01
chrome
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:01
wat
i have chrome too
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 13:01
/shrug
Quaggan BooOOoot
@QuagganBooOOoot
Jul 04 2017 13:01
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [91 remaining]
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:01

anyhow, I dont think gitter is unprofessional. Programming is just terrible

you can't convince me!

windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 13:02
also by decrementing the counter you avoid the spam detection
so your remaining is a sort of false claim
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:02
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [shrugged 42 times]
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 13:02
:(
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 13:03
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [somewhere between 9100 and 9200 remaining]
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 13:06
just noticed that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is 11 chars long
so only 20 times before the ban
Surprised we haven't hit that :O
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:06
do they monitor edits too? or only the initial message?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 13:07
well, let me check :P
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:07
otherwise just /shrug 544q2349134810948129048 -> /shrug :P
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 13:07
yeah that
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:07
it wouldn't surprise me if they don't check for it
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 13:07
loading shrug 73023082752934502923...
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:07
lol
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 13:08
... we are not spammers
at al
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 13:08
they only check new messages
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 13:09
but what would be a wise spam detection other then neural network-like approaches
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:10
lol, gg gitter
so yeah, i stand by my first impression of that repo: it's just a bunch of students who did this as a hobby
@windwarrior dunno, that's what i'm trying to figure out too
i'm thinking towards a trust based system
but that can be abused too
the more you post meaningful messages, the more trustworthy you become
but... what is meaningful?
i've yet to find a node module that analyses messages for me and detects spam
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 13:13
well if you train a neural network :P
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:13
-_-
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 13:13
you can make a self learning spam detector
but yeah
thats more Google scope
I think actually that a neural network can become very good at spam detection
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 13:15
just let it train in big twitch chat and record all messages that get deleted as spam
and then let it automoderate
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 13:16
spam is probably platform dependent
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 13:17
yeah
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 13:17
Kappa
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 13:17
so we can't really make an https://www.isthisspam.com?q=
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 13:17
if you would train a twitch mod bot on any other platform it would remove every message
smiley
@codemasher
Jul 04 2017 15:41
haha, basically half of this chat :D :point_up: 4. Juli 2017 10:41
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 15:41
half? :O it feels like more
smiley
@codemasher
Jul 04 2017 15:42
not people, content :D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 15:44
heh :P
smiley
@codemasher
Jul 04 2017 15:45
anyone, any time: <posts link> <curses>
smiley
@codemasher
Jul 04 2017 15:46
don't get me wrong - i love the embeds - just not in that "unified" huge container
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 15:48
fun fact, in that image, it was only messages from me, @Eearslya and @lye :joy:
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 15:53
haha
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 15:53
some more from different people
smiley
@codemasher
Jul 04 2017 15:53
oh wait, that works now, it highlights the line
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 15:54
what? that has worked always on gists afaik
it just didn't highlight it in embeds on gitter
smiley
@codemasher
Jul 04 2017 15:54
waoit no, i'm dumb
(don't dinner and do stuff...)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 15:55
haha
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 16:00
I like how we are all like: no, pls, dont
as if gitter is a three year old
that we have to correct on its behavior
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:00
well... at this point...
Gitter came out of beta in 2014. During the beta period, Gitter delivered 1.8 million chat messages.[2]
:smirk:
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 16:01
beta is just a label
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:02
for all we know it's still in beta!
coughlfgtoolcough
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 16:02
the HoM calculator is out of beta
smiley
@codemasher
Jul 04 2017 16:03
i guess they just removed the beta label because after that time it could be considered as "stable" :D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 16:04
you get a free "Winter in Summer Mystery Box" in the gemstore
Each chest contains up to 5 personalized Wintersday gifts, plus an additional themed item. This includes tonics, mortars, and dyes. Chests also have a chance to contain new miniatures and rare, themed weapon-skin tickets.
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:05
aka i won't get anything good from rng
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 16:24
well those boxes are like BL key price
but the droptable of a BL key is wider(?)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:33
fml, trying RL again, either i'm rusty, or MM is terrible again; probably both
last few days until new season, people are probably swarming low ranks again
is it just me, or do the frostforged weapons look better than the others?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:39
WTH
Contains 3-5 items
image.png
then why do i get 2?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 16:40
4+1?
the 4 personalized wintersday gift gets awarded as 1 item
or is the 3-5 literally a roll of only those 3-5 packed items?
if so, bad wording
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 16:42
Each chest contains up to five personalized Wintersday gifts, plus an additional themed item. This includes tonics, mortars, and dyes. Chests also have a chance to contain new miniatures and rare, themed weapon-skin tickets.
thats the tooltip
oh thats the same @windwarrior already posted
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:42
damn the preview panel then
consistent at being inconsistent with text
i mean, i consider everything that comes out of that as a holiday gift
grr
jup, rng being rng
image.png
i don't even know why i bothered to log in :D
oh well
/shrug
Quaggan BooOOoot
@QuagganBooOOoot
Jul 04 2017 16:46
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:47
i suppose there will be people who spend $$$ on those
and basically pay my playtime on gw2 haha
Jeppe Vennekilde
@vennekilde
Jul 04 2017 16:51
Idk if it is just me, but something seems very off about this https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/wvw/matches/1-3
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:52
  "skirmishes": [

  ],
  "maps": [

  ]
it's fine...... :fire:
Jeppe Vennekilde
@vennekilde
Jul 04 2017 16:52
the matchup has no skirmishes, no victory points and no maps, but it does have kills :P
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:53
seems that the bug from last week is there again for some matchups
at least, if we were to believe reddit
i haven't seen any complaints from EU matchups
only NA so far
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 16:54
1-3 has skirmishes and maps for me?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:54
empty for me
Jeppe Vennekilde
@vennekilde
Jul 04 2017 16:54
{
  "id": "1-3",
  "start_time": "2017-07-01T02:00:00Z",
  "end_time": "2017-07-08T01:58:00Z",
  "scores": {
    "red": 0,
    "blue": 0,
    "green": 0
  },
  "worlds": {
    "red": 1018,
    "blue": 1011,
    "green": 1017
  },
  "all_worlds": {
    "red": [
      1024,
      1007,
      1018
    ],
    "blue": [
      1020,
      1011
    ],
    "green": [
      1013,
      1017
    ]
  },
  "deaths": {
    "red": 31863,
    "blue": 26630,
    "green": 28002
  },
  "kills": {
    "red": 28159,
    "blue": 35735,
    "green": 19525
  },
  "victory_points": {
    "red": 0,
    "blue": 0,
    "green": 0
  },
  "skirmishes": [],
  "maps": []
}
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 16:54
huh
Jeppe Vennekilde
@vennekilde
Jul 04 2017 16:54
how do you wrap code in a box xD
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 16:55
```
code here
```
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:55
i've tried to wrap the code wrapper in a code wrapper before, and i failed
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 16:55
first try :P
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:55
@darthmaim got it
and adding "gitter pls no" so we can find it in the future :P
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:56
lol
"stop bad gitter pls no"
but yeah, i have the same result as @vennekilde
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 16:57
hmm weird
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:58
caching gone wrong?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 16:58
but shouldn't we both get the same response then?
I tried to reload a few times but its always the same
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 16:59
oh, caching on that wvw endpoint is 1s right?
then i suppose it should be
let me try tor and see what result i get then
uhh, through france, empty too
germany empty too
austria empty as well
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 17:01
no idea
my server is getting the empty response too
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 17:02
luxembourg is empty as well
okay, seems all EU countries i get have the empty response
and tor doesn't want to give me US based nodes
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 17:03
https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/wvw/matches?ids=all also has data for me, is that broken for you too?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 17:03
yes, only 1-3
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 17:04
works for me
/shrug
Quaggan BooOOoot
@QuagganBooOOoot
Jul 04 2017 17:04
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 17:04
@lye :fire:
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 17:04
@lye :fire:
heh
these things always happen on the most inconvenient times
4th of july
day off for americans right?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 17:06
oh
yep
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 17:07
what's nslookup on your pc and your server for api.guildwars2.com?
i only get 64.25.47.51 as response
which is probably the EU based one
but... you're from germany, so it would be weird for your dns to get the US based one
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 17:09
64.25.47.51
so same one
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 17:10
i wonder if the api domain actually has different ips based on location
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 17:10
the skirmish scores are changing for me
so its definitely not something cached
maybe you guys get an old stale cached response?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 17:11
i.... don't even
seems http://mos.millenium.org/na is rip too
but somehow for that website only 1-3 is working and the rest is rip
while for me and @vennekilde it's the opposite
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 17:59
wait how does that work
API servers are in both clusters?
some BGP trickery to connect to the closest cluster?
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 04 2017 18:02
https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitter/webapp/issues/1217 THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WANT
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 18:04
@Eearslya hence my :-1:
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 04 2017 18:04
also @Archomeda I love that little collage
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 18:05
haha
btw, now that you're here, which matches have no skirmishes, maps and victory points for you?
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 04 2017 18:06
Don't know a single person that doesn't curse whenever gitter expands big blocks of code.
2-2
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 18:07
and what's the ip from the dns lookup for api.guildwars2.com?
because you have issues with EU (2-x), and you're from NA; and some of us have issues with NA (1-x), and we're from EU
seems like a datacenter connectivity issue
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 04 2017 18:09
64.25.40.51
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 18:09
40 instead of 47... huh
well at least the ip is different then
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 18:10
Can you trace route both
what data center do you connect to
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 18:13
urgh, forcing to use 64.25.40.51 gives the same result for me as when it was 64.25.47.51
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 04 2017 18:13
traceroute shows 40 is definitely dallas and 47 is definitely frankfurt
8 63 ms 128 ms 64 ms DATABANK-HO.ear1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.31.141.94]
7 173 ms 175 ms 173 ms ae-1-3104.edge7.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.159.34]
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 18:17
7 17 ms 17 ms 27 ms ae-2-3204.edge7.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.159.38] for 47
40 gives a way longer traceroute for me
  7    12 ms     9 ms    11 ms  adm-b5-link.telia.net [62.115.57.141]
  8    10 ms    10 ms     8 ms  adm-bb4-link.telia.net [62.115.140.172]
  9    16 ms    16 ms    19 ms  ldn-bb2-link.telia.net [62.115.143.7]
 10   102 ms   102 ms   108 ms  nyk-bb4-link.telia.net [80.91.253.118]
 11   135 ms   139 ms   138 ms  dls-b22-link.telia.net [62.115.120.175]
thanks telia
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 18:18
Yeah makes sense
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 18:18
16 hops instead of 11
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 18:19
so different dns servers respond with different IPs for api.guildwars2.com
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 18:20
41 works too
so yeah, i suppose
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 18:20
probably because of a feature like AWS GeoDNS
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 18:24
okay, i'm now connected through panama in tor, wherever that is
1-3 works
and 2-2 is broken
just like @Eearslya
so i guess that even using a different ip explicitly doesn't circumvent the datacenter you're connecting to :(
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 18:30
still weird that darth has all results
are there multiple servers in both datacenters? and are only a few derping?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 18:34
I guess so
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 04 2017 20:01
i'm so tempted to get a 2nd account for US
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 04 2017 20:04
I mean you can at least get a F2P account
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 04 2017 20:07
I have a second account
that I didnt activate yet :(
Darqam
@Darqam
Jul 04 2017 20:21
those sales everywhere make me think expac announcement is very soon
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Jul 04 2017 21:00
I have 2 copies of Guild Wars 2: Heroic Edition if anyone wants