These are chat archives for arenanet/api-cdi

12th
Jul 2017
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 07:00
@lye, /delivery still says api not active :)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 07:58
@BoyC looks pretty cool ^^.
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:03
ty :)
got ~15 years of on and off iteration in that tool
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:04
did you manage to break even on it? [No answer is pretty acceptable, I am just curious since the MMO genre is known to be 1) very expensive to make and 2) very brutal to newcomers]
as in on the whole game
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:10
I went depth first into a graphics problem the other day, wanted to create nice flashlights with cones and all (still theoretical) but havent found the right way yet. shadow volumes sound reasonable, and I also found this.
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:13
well aside of about 30k of loans to our investors we did kinda break even, but lived off of table scraps for the duration of the project
it was a labor of love
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:14
haha I can imagine :)
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:14
and we were young, i was 22 when i wrote the first lines of the client
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:15
well I am 26 and still making dumb prototypes
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:15
in the end only 4 programmers were ever working on that game, 2 on the client and 2 on the server side, which is why the game came out so cheap
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:16
and art created by the same people?
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:16
steam helped a lot, but could have been a LOT better, we were #11 to be greenlit, but didn't release the game on steam until 1.5 years later and by that time the novelty of greenlight wore off and it was flooded with shovelware
nah, we had some guys for the art, but only about 3-4
at the largest the whole team was 13 people
including gms and everything
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:17
may I give some honest feedback about the website?
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:18
sure, the game is going down in flames any second now :D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:18
the screenshot reel is very nice, but your blogposts dont show the same level of image quality
and since the reel has "flash required" as first thing, I kinda saw a blogpost first
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:19
oh that'd be the trailer i guess
doesn't really matter for me tbh, i'm in the automotive industry now :)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:21
oh yeah. Its just hollow feedback ^^
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:21
thing about the game was that it always lacked content, and we never hit a critical mass user count, which meant that our concept of "the other player is the content" pretty much fell flat
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:21
yeah, thats the mmo problem right
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:22
the concept was solid and proven (basically eve online with more tactics involved in fights), but without the player base the game was empty
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:22
like a triple A studio making a triple A MMO is a big gamble already
take for example WildStar, certainly a fun game, but got into trouble by choosing the wrong earnings model
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:25
yeah we had trouble with that as well, in the 6-7 years we created the first release of the game the whole mmo market shifted under us
it was a huge learning experience though so i wouldn't trade it
thing is, a LOT of things on the technical side for the client were inspired by the GW1 client
the compactness, the way datafiles are stored, etc
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:27
Guild Wars does a lot of things right ^^
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:27
especially gw1
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:28
so many things actually, that the community is in this continuous thought of things that could slightly improve
because the big points are taken care of
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:28
I had an acquaintance, Jim Scott (aka Blackpawn on the Demoscene) who worked at ArenaNet at the time and we had some talks about the clients
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:29
hahaha did you see the new banner on the subreddit?
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:29
he even asked me if I wanted to join the engine team on GW2 back in 2004, but at 22, moving from .hu to the US and leaving everything behind was too big a change and I said no :)
lol
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:30
I was like, do I have one of those adware virusses? Then I remembered I was on linux
so that was probably not the case
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:30
:D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:31
maybe you can join the engine team for GW3 ^^
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 08:32
i had enough of the game industry for a while :D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 08:51
yeah but GW3 is gonna take a while right :P
Werdes
@werdes
Jul 12 2017 10:32
game industry sounds nice from a gamer's perspective, but reality is: you probably earn more in industry or services for doing the same or - if you are lucky with your employer and you get into a labor union (like IG Metall for heavy industry in germany) - less.
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 10:59
money doesn't buy you happyness
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 11:13
oh the game industry is veeeery different from the inside :)
Especially game development.
People used to think I play all day, but it's hc engineering work, so I took up to saying that I'm an entertainment industry engineer :)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 11:18
well isnt that everywhere, "computer science, that has to do with computers right"
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 11:18
"so come and fix my pc"
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 11:19
and once you try to explain them that you detest windows and yours is also kinda broken
they look at you weirdly, because your that computer science guy so should know windows
trying to explain slowly that you are not using windows on a daily basis does not help
Werdes
@werdes
Jul 12 2017 11:33
"but that's just another windows isn't it?"
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 14:52
"I don't usually use Windows." "Oh, you're on mac?"
idivait
@idivait
Jul 12 2017 15:28
I tried to explain VMs to my mother once. That was interesting.
Edgar Doiron
@Coffee4cr
Jul 12 2017 15:29
lol
idivait
@idivait
Jul 12 2017 15:31
She had the exact same look on her face as I do when she's talking about what type of window dressings to use on the back porch (she's an interior designer). It was like looking in a mirror. :)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 16:04
I tried to explain to my dad that infinite is way more annoying than a really long time
(context: I am writing a property specification language in which you can specify that certain events happen as a result of other events, but if you would go about this boundlessly, you could be in for a long wait)
my dad kept insisting that after ${time} it is very likely that no response would show, which I responded to by asking what about a response happening at ${time}+1
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 16:34
@that_shaman being super hinty
@BoyC oh forgot that I'd turned it off
It's finally on now, please melt the servers.
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 16:50
perfect timing, i just sat down at home :D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 16:53
do you need marshmallows for that melting server, @lye
;_;
it shouldn't melt this time
but I've got my eye on ye
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 16:54
well based on what you said it'd at least be different servers melting this time :D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 16:58
image.png
(all in good spirit!)
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:01
@lye is there a way you could check the exact font used for the ingame chat text? I found the map font online but could only ever approximate the text with trebuchet
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 17:01
{
coins: 43768,
items: [ ]
}
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:01
wait I thought it was just trebuchet
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 17:01
\o/
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:02
it's very similar but differs a bit
maybe it's a difference in font renderer
i want to update the fonts a bit in taco with this build, doesn't hurt to ask :)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:03
oh yeah, tivac confirms there that it should be Trebuchet MS
^(I should learn to read posts before linking them)
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:05
yeah that was the post i started out from but it didn't sound sure and I did see differences
I'll know once I have my new rasterfont baker up and running
:D
although i guess it should be a ttf and should be in the datafile
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:09
so which font did the maps use?
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:09
image.png
it looks very similar, but seems to have a shadow?
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:10
reads post. derp.
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:10
:)
if you look at the letter a, it's pretty different
so is the 0
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:11
the "a" has a longer top
indeed
and the "x" is wider
the "v" appears to be wider too
I'm seeing "Trebuchet MS" in the launcher code
I don't know if that's different from normal Trebuchet
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:12
the image I posted is Trebuchet MS
(but without the text shadow)
yeah but some of the glyphs look off
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:13
yeah the launcher may very well use Trebuchet MS
that's web based ui, right?
yup
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:13
probably a different renderer then too
I'm 100% sure the launcher uses trebuchet ms
yup
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:14
is the font rendering in the actual UI some off the shelf component?
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:14
it's probably done with freetype or something similar
not a clue, unfortunately
I'm running find /artdir -iname '*.ttf' right now
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:14
haha :)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:15
for the accidental case that it is called Gw2FoNtJustToScreWfind.ttF
yeah man you never know
people who use windows primarily make really dumb filename decisions
hmm, only TTF files I found were in the launcher.
:shrug:
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:18
well... there are more font file types
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 17:19
/artdir/fonts/custom/a.jpg
/artdir/fonts/custom/b.jpg
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:19
could also be OTF
there are no otf files in the art dir
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:20
its not going to be freetype rendering them, because freetype is GPL
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 17:20
FNT?
is fnt a real extension or
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:20
yeah it is
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 17:20
"Windows Font File"
yeah that's exactly where I was arch XD
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:21
:smile:
does the mac client have the same fonts?
it should I think?
it uses the same art
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:22
it would be funny if it uses different art
honestly it wouldn't surprise me if we just made changes to trebuchet
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:22
cell shaded just for the abstract look of Mac OS
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:22
then it should be included somewhere i guess, because i don't think different operating systems include the same fonts
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:24
hm fontforge can actually load the fonts in the datafile, yay
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:25
there are fonts in the dat?
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:25
yeah but in some weird format
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:25
also googling for "GW2 trebuchet ms" does not yield anything useful
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:25
please be .jpg..
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:25
mostly trebuchets
none of the extensions came back with anything
the dat font files are just ttf
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:26
windows can't load them though :D
maybe windows should get its act together
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:26
and you don't want fonts to be a simple .jpg, no kerning info then
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 17:26
.svg
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:26
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:27
nah nah, just pre-render all 30.000 most common words
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:27
(i've not really looked at fonts before)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:27
lol... just looking in resource hacker at gw2.exe...
<ReleaseDate>2011-01-01</ReleaseDate>
i didn't know that gw2 was released almost 2 years before its actual release :D
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 17:28
You mean you didn't get into the beta alpha?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:28
oh hey, the error dialog uses MS Sans Serif
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:29
when @lye makes that character portrait renderer, he might as well make a font renderer
/v2/render?text={yourtext}
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:30
the names of the fonts in the datafile have been strategically erased :)
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 17:30
mv TrebuchetMS.ttf 392285594291.258449322
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:30
image.png
size 13 it looks like..
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:31
TrebuchetFrankenstein.ttf
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:31
same font in the archive repair tool it seems.
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 17:31
everyone knows obfuscation is the #1 security tactic
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:32
the copyright text is intact though :)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:32
In what font tho?
:>
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 17:34
none of them is the chat font, and i'm pretty sure that that font would be larger than the 500k these make up together because it needs to support all the languages of the users
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:35
The coverage of the font is bad tho
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:35
oh @lye, remember we talked about the wvw desert bl stress test?
i found my install
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 17:36
Can't display /shrug for one
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:36
image.png
it was feature public test tiny
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:41
there are EOT files in the dat though
or something
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:49
@lye have you adjusted the maps endpoint again btw?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:49
at least, that's what gw2browser gives me: Eason Pro Webfont, GEason Pro Webfont, Menomonia Regular Webfont
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:49
some new floors appeared over maguuma
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:49
but eh... i guess it's not everything :(
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:50
e.g. https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/maps?ids=1052 floors: [1,47,2,0,48,3] - that can't be right
same floor numbers added to basically all the HoT maps + raids
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:53
wait, when were these added to points_of_interest?
  "2080": {
    "name": "Raid—Forsaken Thicket",
    "type": "unlock",
    "floor": 1,
    "coord": [
      3765.85,
      14666.6
    ],
    "id": 2080,
    "chat_link": "[&BCAIAAA=]",
    "icon": "https://render.guildwars2.com/file/5866630DA52DCB5C423FB81ECF69FD071611E36B/1128644.png"
  },
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:53
pretty sure those were there last time i updated the map widget on the wiki
same as the raid portals in LA
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:55
really... huh
interesting
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 17:56
same time as when i got banned from gitter.
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 17:57
:/

currently browsing through the dat file from the ptt build... why is there a javascript file with

// Generated by Construct 2, the HTML5 game and app creator :: http://www.scirra.com

haha

ohhh... next file is an html file with
<title>Rytlock</title>
is that the rytlock minigame?
but why was/is that in the dat file? :D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 18:05
Probably because everything is
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 18:06
oh, and the branch was 105
of course that client doesn't want to update anymore :P
image.png
but this boot screen brings back memories
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 18:07
oh man
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 18:07
cannot wait for the new one ^^
thats mostly because it launches the new expansion too
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 18:09
http://switchbrew.org/index.php?curid=41&diff=1496&oldid=945 oh this is painful on multiple levels
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 18:10
wait...
gw2.png
better version
and the current one:
gw2-hot.png
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 18:11
Was the original one meant to be any specific character?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 18:11
and i just noticed that the original one didn't have the arenanet logo
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 18:11
it's caithe isn't it
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 18:12
Kinda hard to tell with the art style..not sure if it's leaves or hair
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 18:12
it seems leafy enough to me
if you look at the rest of the body
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 18:13
well I'm happy its sylvari, dunno who
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 18:17
its supposed to be caithe yeah
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 18:19
also, TIL that the login screen is actually different from the download screen
i tried replacing the image, but it only changes the download one, and not the login one haha

when @lye makes that character portrait renderer

@windwarrior at this point I can say the character portrait renderer is never going to happen. I just don't have any time these days.

@lye have you adjusted the maps endpoint again btw?

@ChieftainAlex I haven't made any changes that I know of

but why was/is that in the dat file?

There was a rock or something in the guild hall that was going to play the game when you interacted with it. That feature got cut.

I'm pretty sure the core launcher art is caithe
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 18:29
I expected that ^^
also, it would probably a very time inefficient addition to the API
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 18:30

There was a rock or something in the guild hall that was going to play the game when you interacted with it. That feature got cut.

wait really? :(

would've been a fun thing
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 18:30
arcade cabinet in Rata Novus
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 18:31
something that was created many years ago, and then the idea of adding that in the guild hall years later :)
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 18:31
guess maps is throwing up junk then lye, unless they're the instanced Verdant Brink (etc) versions that show up during the Caladbolg instances
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 18:32
someone learned me a nice little trick, if you close the mystic forge window during the anim, and reopen it you dont have to sit out the animation
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 18:33
i found that too annoying, i sit out the animation, but refuse to close the popup; instead i just fill in the 4 slots and press the flush button again
also bound double click on a separate key if i decided to flush a lot of things; because ouch my fingers
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 18:35
was making clovers
you can figure ^^
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 18:35
hm
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 18:35
ouch yeah
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 18:35
gotta check that out :)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 18:35
10 or 1?
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 18:35
1...
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 18:35
i'm sitting on 2k+ obsidian, gotta figure out something to do with it
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 18:35
yup, just like me
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 18:35
I have 7k karma and no obsi shards :(
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 18:40
Wow, I just realized I've built up enough clovers for another legendary with just the bloodstone fen reward track in WvW
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 21:45
I've been thinking the broadband in my house has been shit for the last 2 months. I spotted my phone had a connection about 20x faster than my pc... I just moved my desk to the other side of my room and I'm embarassed I didn't do this earlier.
goodbye 600ms.
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 21:48
never game on wireless :)
*game and/or torrent
lye @lye mails @ChieftainAlex a simple solution
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 21:51
that is so not gonna work
something something resistance
i'm not really sure what you're doing with cat5e
but it works great for network connections :|
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 21:52
500ft of it :p?
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:52
you cut it
also
cut'n'crimp
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:53
I've got those in my house and I can easily get the full 80Mb we pay comcast for
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 21:53
80Mb?
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 21:53
the odd thing was for the first 8 months I lived in this house the connection in the exact_same_spot was fine
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 21:53
how much is that monthly over there?
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:53
because unfortunately living with family means I need to make compromises
ehh, don't you need like certain conditions for EoP to work?
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 21:53
guessing the summer heat may have slightly fucked my wifi card
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:54
I mean
I'm sure there are SOME houses that won't work with it
@BoyC it's bundled with cable TV and landlines, but the base package probably is 50-70 USD/month
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:54
but a vast majority just work
(where base package is just internet)
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 21:54
wow
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:54
what @lye said
the price varies depending on how many competitors there are in the area
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:54
though we have home security too
funny part is, we never use our landline
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 21:54
i'm on 512 Mb at around 30 usd
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 21:54
the price varies depending on how many competitors there are in the area
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 21:54
:/
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:54
but it would cost us more to get rid of it
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 21:54
capitalism
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:55
our monthly bill would increase for less service
@BoyC at my old apartment, I had 100/100 for $60/month (with GbE available for $70/month)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 21:55
I had 1GBbit/1GBit for €15 a month :P
but yeah, campus
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 21:55
:D
ChieftainAlex
@ChieftainAlex
Jul 12 2017 21:55
you're all bastards and I've been making do with sub 1mb
:D
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 21:56
i had expected service to be better/cheaper in the us than here, interesting
i guess it's just more varied
US internet is basically monopolized to hell and back and you get price-gouged as a consumer
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 21:57
just wait for SpaceX to launch their plan of thousands of satellites
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:57
I want google fiber damnit
didn't they discontinue google fiber? lol
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:57
oh pls no

JENKINS: Google Fiber laid off more than 100 employees. And its CEO has stepped down. As for the future, it looks like Google will focus less on wires and more on wireless. This summer, it announced plans to acquire Webpass, a wireless point-to-point internet provider.

from NPR, 2016

BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 21:59
move to hungary, at least we have great cheap internet, and we're top3 in 4g coverage i hear (although the mobile net packages are awful to compensate for all the network expansion the telcos did)
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:59
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
the dream is dead
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 21:59
rip
@Eearslya move somewhere that has service via waveg
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 21:59
whowhat
they have quite a few buildings in both seattle and downtown bellevue wired up
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 22:01
oh man that is north
like, I wanna move north to shorten my commute, but that far north I feel like it would just end up the same
they're growing out slowly; their business model is to save costs by wiring up entire complexes
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:01
ah that happens here too
entire residential areas get fibre once 50% of the people agree
and sign a contract
for the high-rise buildings, I think they just contract with the building owners, not the tenants
the tenants can still choose other ISPs (but why would you)
pretty much everyone in every building they have wired gets a flyer once/month touting their speed/prices
(even if you're already a customer, lol)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:04
I was in this shared appartment with the most trashiest of trash connection. I went ahead and deviced a plan to upgrade to fibre, which we had in that appartment already anyway, but not in my room. We spent a month without internet because my flatmate "really didnt think there was a fibre connection box in his room"
obviously, after a month, the guy came, showed him the box, and left
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Jul 12 2017 22:04
rip
my house is the best, the owners "wired it" by running cat5e (probably non-plenum) around the exterior of the building
so the wires all come in through the windows
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 22:05
what
YEP
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 22:06
probably for the "cyber" feel of it :D
the master bedroom has no windows (?!????) so I ran 10m of cable through a hallway to the nearest window
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:06
hey, probably easier than routing it through a wall
you what
why
so I can have wired internet
i don't even see the wire anymore
but it's just on the floor
there are two wireless APs in the house -- one in the garage that doesn't reach my bedroom, and one in my bedroom that doesn't reach the garage
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:07
I have a revolutionary plan
buy a third AP to cover the rest!
is the plan "the internet was a mistake, shut it all down"
because I can get behind this
lol
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:08
also!
just reset, delete computers, we did it all wrong
I could just buy a better antenna and up the gain to just below FCC levels
it currently reaches all the parts of the house I care about so w/e
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:09
I am in this flat now with I think a router per room
so, needless to say I was a total censored and bought the best router I could find AND has 5Ghz
imo it's really straightforward to build your own router
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:10
so that at least I would shout over other peoples crappy APs
and then you can install freebsd on it
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:10
we've been over this I think, I kinda like appliances that I can abstract away. I have this box, and it does internet, magically
if its not working, I can literally throw it out of the window and get a new box
fair
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:11
if I would know whats in the box, I would feel compelled to even try to fix it
I like fiddly bits that can extend and maintain
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:12
I sometimes do too, but there are parts of my devices that just have to work. That includes my phone and my router
I wish phones could still be disassembled :(
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:12
battery swap would be handy!
I disassembled my kindle but I couldn't put it back together (it has a lot of glue) so I just bought a new one
haha yeah my housemate replaced the battery in his phone recently
it required soldering work
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:13
I have a Corsair K70 that I threw sprite into
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 22:13
oh we tried that with an asus tablet
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:13
it has this very convenient HOLE below the spacebar
for when you accidentally spill a drink
ensuring that you at least kill the entire keyboard
lol
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 22:13
we were running unit tests on it and after a year plugged in there was a noticeable bulge on the screen
tried to make it work without a battery but the hw guys couldn't hack it :\
I was gonna say, if the electrical components weren't damaged you could probably just pull the keycaps off, clean them, then wipe down the mechanisms a bit
@BoyC lol that's rough
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:14
yeah no, the entire circuit board had a nice coat of sticky sprite
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 22:14
yeah small wonder it didn't explode on us one night
don't modern battery packs have an IC and stuff you'd have to replicate?
like i don't think it's something you can just swap out with a DC PSU
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:15
hmm maybe
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 22:15
the hw guys said it was probably that their efforts to route power from the usb port failed because they probably couldn't make it precise enough
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:15
pocket explosives
@windwarrior that's why there's a limit to the Li-ion battery capacity you can bring into planes in the US
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 22:16
it was worth a shot anyway, we weren't going to risk it bursting open
I think it's 35AH or something
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:16
yeah, the TSA didnt really like me bringing my extra laptop battery
you are bringing what?
weird; I've routinely brought two laptops around on both domestic and international flights
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:17
yeah but it was the fact that it was just a battery right
I guess
I fly with 2 laptops, 1-2 phones, 1-2 tablets, ecig batteries, etc
probably well over 35AH -- and never have had people look at me funny
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:19
we were at LAX, flying to Sao Paulo and the TSA lady was holding her device
it was called a "random number generator"
lmao
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Jul 12 2017 22:19
and it had conveniently decided that the entire group of 30 people
didnt have to go through extra security
and she kept insisting that the thing was random
oh, I should have asked where they got their entropy from :(
BoyC
@BoyC
Jul 12 2017 22:28
man i haven't done such hacky code in at least 5-6 years
beating an opensource project into submission to your needs is always fun :P
I kind of want to build a new router for no reason
(hacking the bmfont rasterizer into my skin editor so i can have an interactive view and approximate the in-game fonts better)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 22:56
oh @lye, what happened to the tips on the loading screens?
i haven't seen them in ages now
as in, since episode 3 i think
:shrug:
marketing had us build the system so they could put stuff in there, and I guess they haven't put stuff in there
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Jul 12 2017 23:22
what a waste :(