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2nd
Aug 2017
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 09:34
uhh did twitter change their font or is it just broken for me?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 09:34
broken for you?
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 09:35
broken as in "cache miss"
image.png
which one do you see?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 09:40
Bildschirmfoto 2017-08-02 um 11.39.56.png
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@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 09:40
this is... weird
Werdes
@werdes
Aug 02 2017 10:43
ah so that is why that expansion page looked hideous yesterday :smile:
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 11:01
It should be streamed over twitch. I'd get some popcorn and watch all weekend.
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 11:05
this is a great idea :D
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 11:50
i'm waiting for the day when NPM will finally implode https://twitter.com/o_cee/status/892306836199800836
i mean, there's a lot of crap on packagist too, but that whole node/npm thing... wow
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 11:59
The thing is, I really like NPM. The ability to get a package to do basically anything you want is really great
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 12:01
in theory it's great, agreed.
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 12:02
It's a shame about the... edge cases...
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 12:03
if it was just "edge cases" but crap like the above seems to happen constantly on npm
not to mention the leftpad desaster
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 12:03
I was alluding to the leftpad debacle
There's a point where you should probably just code stuff yourself
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 12:04
and that's the problem with npm. lazy people, others who write crappy code
i mean, i wouldn't dare to publish a one-liner as a package. would you?
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 12:06
Probably not, no
Well, I guess there's no real reason JavaScript needs line breaks
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 12:08
the usefulness isn't the question. it's more of a question whether this is a healthy ecosystem if it allows crappy one liner packages which could harm the whole platform
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 12:09
It's the problem with a hands-off approach to moderation
It's easier and theoretically allows more good things onto the platform, but it just opens the floodgates for crap
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 12:10
packagist seems like a whole different world. maybe it's because php has a lot more built-in functions compared to js or it's just that php programs are generally more complex than js... iunno.
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 12:11
Yeah, PHP has a bunch more stuff built in, specifically for server side stuff
From what I can see, JavaScript's builtin functions are more for data manipulation and communication
Which makes sense, given how it's used for webpages
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 12:14
npm had more downloads in the last 2 weeks than packagist had since 2012
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 12:15
O_o
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 12:15
Most PHP devs just use their framework and plugins, most are not writing any real new functionality
I mean, how many custom php pages are out there?
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 12:17
Yeah, I guess you have stuff like Drupal and Wordpress that have their own plugin/addon sites
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 12:17
95% of PHP code is probably validating form input and writing that to a DB or generating stats
JS is used for so much more
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 12:17
uhh
well, laravel is just form validation, right :D
(re: complexity)
but look at the granularity of php packages compared to js - that's what i mean
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 12:21
Can JavaScript do 'static' stuff like in Java or C++? When I was doing a bunch of Node development, that's something I felt it was lacking
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 12:23

what do you mean by static?

class Something {
  static foo() {
    return 'bar';
  }
}

is valid js

JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 12:23
oh
crap
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 12:23
and you could always just do Something.foo = function() { return 'bar'; };
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 12:24
Will that work between requires? I might be remembering the problems I ran into slightly wrong.
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 12:25
even if you are not using ES6+ you could do stuff like this:
var Something = function() {};
Something.prototype.instanceMethod = function() {};
Something.staticMethod = function() {}
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@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 12:25
y u still use function keyword :D
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 12:25
if you are not using ES6+
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 12:26
oh, overlooked that line :D
but noone should do so
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 12:26
then just look at my first example :P
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 12:26
also noone should use/write php < 7 anymore
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 12:45
require is also outdated, we have import now :)
ES2016/2017 is actually a pretty good language
its a bit annoying that you need some build pipeline to actually produce JS that browsers understand
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 13:32
function() is sometimes needed if you want to have this bound correctly to the instance of the object
if you don't want to have that, you can use lambdas
but then this would be bound to the same object as to what it was bound to outside of that lambda code block
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 13:34
thats the wrong way around? lambdas are bound to the scope where they are defined, functions inherit caller scope
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 13:34
well, isn't that what i said?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 13:34
I started typing after your first sentence
and that sounds wrong?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 13:34
although in a awkward way :P
this would be bound to the instance of the object if it's a class function; although a function doesn't have to be a class function necessarily
so yeah, caller scope would be a better description :P
i mean, you can still use .call() and .bind()... so
in order to change whatever this is
did i describe it wrong?
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 13:39
/shrug
Quaggan BooOOoot
@QuagganBooOOoot
Aug 02 2017 13:39
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 13:39
sounds ok
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 13:40
i tend to describe things with my own words :smile: sorry
i either forget the formal words or i just don't like them
darthmaim
@darthmaim
Aug 02 2017 13:40
:D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 13:41
everyone calls them differently anyway
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 14:00

function() is sometimes needed if you want to have this bound correctly to the instance of the object

i've been waiting for someone to mansplain this case to me :D

Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 16:13
lol
i still remember that
good ol' frontpage 2003
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 16:13
i still have an original cd of that
(CD!)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 16:14
what? :D
not a floppy??
:P
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 16:14
Frontpage 98
nah, MS ditched floppies after win95 which came on 75 disks
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 16:16
:D
omg
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:25
however, anet is not messing around o.O
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 17:26
Level 80 food that once provided +20% Condition Duration or Boon Duration will now provide +100 Expertise or Concentration, respectively.
every +15 in one of these stats, is +1%
so yup, not messing around
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:26
it especially hits builds that rely on gear for condi duration
like condi ranger
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 17:27
it's a 66% nerf to +20% condition duration food
you'll now have +6.67% condition duration... RIP
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:27
the utility gives 2% expertise for full viper players :P
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 17:28

When we made the change to Seaweed Salad, we knew that there were a lot more things that needed attention, but the scope of the changes to consumables was too broad to get out the door at the same time.

can they not also change the flat +5% damage increase of that one?

i mean, use the power stat instead of flat percentage damage
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:30
no, these percentages are different
because they "stack" with traits multiplicatively
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 17:31
-_-
so much for standardizing
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:31
so having two 10% modifiers makes you 21% stronger
thats the entire reason that ele is king on KC
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 17:32
it should be standardized as well IMO
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:32
well damage modifiers could give bonus ferocity
but that nerf would be huge
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 17:33
well, that condi nerf is huge now as well
so /shrug
</3
/shrug
Quaggan BooOOoot
@QuagganBooOOoot
Aug 02 2017 17:33
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:34
actually, rolling it into feroc would not be correct either
flat percentages are hard :P
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 17:36
yes, hence why it's really out-of-line compared to other food
it makes balancing also difficult
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:39
well they are all over
scholar runes, force sigils, a million traits
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 17:40
true
i hope rune/sigil balancing is next
seeing that food/utilities are being changed, makes me hopeful for that
but having them on sigils/runes and/or traits, makes them different from food and utilities as well
i think that everything that falls in the same category should be normalized
with the categories being: food/utility, runes/sigils, traits, gear
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:42
I have tried to come up with a "solution"
but removing boon duration from upgrades deletes things like "strength runes"
so that would get complex, per boon concentration
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 17:46
nope
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 17:46
damn
they want personable people not neckbeards lol
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 17:47
but you're the only dev I know D:
I'll be at pax sunday, probably doing a stream of mtg drafts in the wizards booth >_>
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 17:48
A stream? o:
not a stream
but like a lot of drafts in quick succession
because they're single elim and i suck
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 17:48
I haven't done magic in a while
I had a blue jace deck a year or so ago
drafts don't need pre-constructed decks
you create a deck as part of the event
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 17:51
ah, shows how much I know XD
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 17:52
oh i just had a peek at my mtg cards last week, got a couple packs 20 years or so ago... and i realized that the last guy who went through them 3-4 years ago (friend of a friend who came to my place with a bunch of people, asked if he could look through them) took any card that was worth anything :P
heh
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 17:53
can't really recall most of them, only that i had a lord of the pit and it's gone now
I keep all the rares/mythics in a separate box
is that a money card?
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 17:53
no idea tbh, never really got into mtg, i was young and had these random decks
we mostly played the hungarian clone
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:53
haha would be funny if you had that crazy-expensive-magic-card laying around
ah fair
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:54
@lye fill me in, it so famous
black lotus
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 17:54
i mean if i had a black lotus i'd definitely know about it ;)
(alpha)
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:54
yeah ^^
alternatively, any moxen or even the original dual lands
they can get pretty pricy in good condition
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 17:55
none of those i'm afraid
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:55
black lotus is 11k :P
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 17:55
yeah it's crazy
I mean they're fun cards to play with if you wanna get mugged in the parking lot
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:55
lol
they're also significantly cheaper on MTGO
black lotus is like... $50
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:56
which is still a significant amount of toothpaste
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 17:56
I'm sorry, run that by me one more time?
Toothpaste?
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 17:56
i had one of the rarest cards in the hungarian clone, called an ultra-rare, unique prints of which there were only about 10-20 ever made
and that one was worth 20usd :D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:56
is my way of relating to big prices
imagine 10k dollars right?
now imagine it as bottles of toothpaste
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 17:57
...Bottles?
what if you buy really expensive toothpaste
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:57
tubes
things
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 17:57
okay good
I was really concerned
that it was another bagged milk scenario
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:58
well we need an universal tube of toothpaste as frame of reference
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 17:58
there was this ad for very expensive headphones that went "decide what you want to buy. headphones, or a new car"
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 17:58
that's horrible advertising
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 17:58
the ad stuck around, didn't it? :D
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:58
I once did the math, you are better off buying a ferrari than toothpaste. You get more mm^2 ferrari per dollar
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 17:59
I wonder how that shapes up for different brands of car
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 17:59
granted, I did count the air in a ferrari as actual ferrari
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 17:59
Look, if you can't fill a car with toothpaste, it's not a car worth having
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 18:01
but yeah, I have an easier time imagining 10k tubes of toothpaste than 10k dollars
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 18:01
I hope the PAX VIP thing isn't gonna be another quiet message on the forums again
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 18:03
(my science teacher once calculated how many euros I needed to spend per second to spend 1 mole euros)
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:04
I mean, you could spend 1 per second if you were paying out for 2x10^28 (or whatever the number is) seconds
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 18:05
6.0210236.02*10^{23}
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:05
Wow, I was off by so much
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 18:06
5 orders of magnitude
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:06
It wasn't even similar to Planck's constant. I feel like I've let my Physics teacher down
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 18:09
a similair frame-of-reference calculation exists for the IPv6 address space
you could give every grain of sand on this planet about 410194 * 10^{19} IPv6 addresses
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:10
Oh my god...
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 18:12
oh god I love science
can I go back now and rediscover all this again pls
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:13
I just worked out, if you gave every grain of sand on the planet an IPv4 address, they would run out of addresses
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 18:14
@JamEngulfer you could NAT them :/
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:14
However, if you evenly distributed them, 1 in every 1,746,230,761 grains would have an address
Are there even enough NAT-able addresses you can give them?
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 18:15
you're doing the math right now :D
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 18:15
every ipv4 address except private NAT'd to a class A 10.x.x.x
do it
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 18:16
I mean nobody said you cannot NAT a NAT :D
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:16
It's NATs all the way down
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 18:16
NATception
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 18:32
u guys r NATs
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:33
NAT so fast, that's NAT a very nice thing to say
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 18:37
haha, accurate :D
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:38
I just went for the native apps option. There are certain changes in the UI that people expect between platforms.
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 18:39
depending on the app you might be lucky and only support iPhone and some/newest android :D
But I think it is more likely to win in a lottery
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:40
Screw old Android versions and screw Windows Phone
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 18:40
Windows Phone? whats dat?
Is there an app for that? :D
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:40
If Android fully supports Swift apps then I'm definitely jumping on that train
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 18:41
I don't think it will ever happen officially
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:41
One can dream I guess :(
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 18:41
Kotlin is nice though
Apple's Frameworks are nice, swift is just a cherry on top of it, at least that's how I see it
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 18:53
Android is nice with its backwards compat framework
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 18:53
yeah.. but java.... uuurgh
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:55
I like a lot of Java. The levels of abstraction from pointers and stuff is quite nice, but it gets pretty clunky pretty fast
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 18:55
there's a lot of boilerplate :(
but, maybe things have changed since java 7
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:55
Like having to declare an entire Runnable object just to put a line of code on another thread? No thanks
To be fair to newer Java versions, you can Lambda that out
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 18:56
or event handler ...
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 18:57
i just like how c# had that since c# 2.0(?) already:
var t = new Thread(() => {
    // code here
});
t.Start();
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 18:57
in the days where you had to implement all of the methods for the interface just to use one :D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 18:57
oh god
don't remind me
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:57
Wait... Isn't that how interfaces are supposed to work?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 18:58
well, that was how you would make an eventhandler i think
it needed a specific interface that was just stupid
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 18:58
Fair enough
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 18:58
yes but if you just want only one event for your event handler but there are 10 methods you simple don't need :D
that's why I love the delegates/events from c#
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 18:59
by the time i had to work with java, i had already done so many things in c#; it just looked like i was going back a few years
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 18:59
button.onClick += MyFancyEventHandler
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 18:59
^ exactly
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 19:00
I havent touched java in a long time, but the lambdas and anonymous classes have improved many things
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 19:00
i suppose
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 19:01
and IntelliJ :D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 19:01
java 6 was just plain stupid
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 19:01
What did it even add?
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 19:01
Generics? I'm not sure
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 19:01
I remember Java 7 adding a bunch of stuff
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 19:01
java 6 had generics already i think
java 7 added lambdas at least iirc
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 19:02
but java 7 was indeed a massive improvement
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 19:02
yeah not "much"
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 19:02
Vahah. shit at my old project is about to hit the fan. One of the players looked up our old dev company and found out (via public information) that it's being liquidated.
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 19:03
wait, lambdas were a java 8 feature apparently
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 19:04
#include <pthread.h>
void *threaded_function(void *data) {
  ...
}
int main(int argc, char **argv) {
  pthread_t thread;
  pthread_create(&thread, NULL, threaded_function, NULL);
  pthread_join(thread, NULL);
}
:D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 19:04
@BoyC rip
even c++ looks easier than what you had to do with java lol
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 19:05
C
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 19:05
c even
ptolstoi
@ptolstoi
Aug 02 2017 19:05
well does it work on windows? :D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 19:05
pthread? not sure
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 19:06
pretty sure they do, never tried
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 19:06
i'm guessing a massively article is right around the corner
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 19:07
i'm not even sure about all the header files
but the std thread works under windows
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 19:08
It's a shame there wasn't any cross platform threading support until C++11
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 19:08
true
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 19:09
hmm
my mingw compiler doesn't like pthread
C:\Users\eears\AppData\Local\Temp\ccWbMhid.o:pthread.c:(.text+0x5a): undefined reference to pthread_create'
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 19:09
C:\ there's your problem
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 19:09
well yes
but the question was if it worked on windows
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 19:10
I think it's only Unix-based platforms
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 19:10
it didn't complain about #include <pthread.h> at least
just the lib
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 19:11
Oh yeah, MS did some stuff making Linux command line programs work on Windows. I wonder if they included libraries as well
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 19:11
that's quite different
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 19:12
I've got a lot of extra stuff on top of what windows comes with (if anything)
I've got basically a compilation kit for ruby native extensions so I dunno
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 19:16
wait @BoyC, it makes sense what they are saying there right? If the company is seizing to exist, so will the servers no?
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 19:16
well, no
there are two companies, one which is developing the game (or to be more accurate, developed) that's being liquidated, then there's the publisher who's actually running the game which is being kept up
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 19:17
ahhh right
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 19:18
but since all three of us who ever did any proper player communication left the game january the latest...
@Eearslya -lpthread
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 19:19
also it's taking the remaining 2 people forever but they're converting the game to a player run server thingie where you can pick the server you want to play on
which is weird
but you know... haven't had a stake in this for 2 years now, i'm just standing back and watching it burn kinda
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 19:19
yeah not blaming you ^^
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 19:28
I live in The Netherlands, and can select the states of the US and the provinces of Canada as my home "state"
... nicely localised
windwarrior @windwarrior fills in Not Applicable
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 19:33
@lye, the completion page after buying PoF is HoT-themed
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 19:35
you just bought a HoT code instead :smirk:
i'm gonna miss the HoT themed login and character screen in 2 months though :(
idivait
@idivait
Aug 02 2017 19:42
I'm not - I like the color choices for the upcoming expansion. :D
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 19:46
@lye
$ gcc -lpthread -o pthread pthread.c
C:\Users\eears\AppData\Local\Temp\cc9EEXmi.o:pthread.c:(.text+0x5a): undefined reference to `pthread_create'
C:\Users\eears\AppData\Local\Temp\cc9EEXmi.o:pthread.c:(.text+0x6b): undefined reference to `pthread_join'
c:/rubydevkit/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-w64-mingw32/4.7.2/../../../../x86_64-w64-mingw32/bin/ld.exe: C:\Users\eears\AppData\Local\Temp\cc9EEXmi.o: bad reloc address 0x0 in section `.pdata'
c:/rubydevkit/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-w64-mingw32/4.7.2/../../../../x86_64-w64-mingw32/bin/ld.exe: final link failed: Invalid operation
collect2.exe: error: ld returned 1 exit status
there
I blame the mingw library
but I don't care enough to dig deeper
smiley
@codemasher
Aug 02 2017 20:15
...
@Eearslya you probably need -fPIC or some other arcane invocation
also apparently we didn't have enough engineers signed up for the hard rock cafe meet and greet at pax
so I put my name in
friday september 1, 7-10pm at hard rock cafe (next to the convention center)
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 20:54
\o/
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 20:54
will you also fly to gamescom? :D
probably just marketing going to gamescom
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 20:54
now I just need someone to bombard every communication platform I have when the VIP thing goes out
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 20:54
that makes me sad :(
sorry :(
@Eearslya it says it's open to the public; I dunno if we're doing a VIP thing this year
It will be on September 1st from 7pm till 10pm at the Hard Rock Café in Seattle. Access to the event will be free to any fan (or their friends) as we want a great number of fans to come and chat with the ArenaNet team of developers.
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 20:55
This free event is open to everyone, and no PAX badge is necessary. There will be opportunities to be added to a VIP attendee list to ensure that you’re among the first to get in. Keep an eye on our social media channels and the official forums for more information.
are you reading my email what
huh my email doesn't mention a VIP bit
I should make myself a commander hat
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 20:56
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"fixed an issue where guild members of my guild could reach the bank"
I wonder if I can enter the raffle
I'm really good at raffles
idivait
@idivait
Aug 02 2017 21:03
@Eearslya First, you have to command something. Then you can wear a commander hat IRL.
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 21:04
@idivait go put on your glasses and read that again
I've done a half dozen drunkmand nights on YB
idivait
@idivait
Aug 02 2017 21:04
Ohhh.
That counts.
Just don't let Rixx borrow it.
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:04
just pay 300g to the vendor thingie
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 21:04
lythipls
lol
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:05
have commander tag, never commanded in wvw :P
idivait
@idivait
Aug 02 2017 21:05
Eff off, Rixx.
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 21:05
guild leader abuse
/report
I haven't even been able to wvw all week and I can't tonight either
is sad
i'm on a gw2 break to play albion online >_>
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 21:06
lol
hey i bought it over a year ago so I might as well play it for a bit
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:07
a bit
got two months subscription paid for >_>
Eearslya Sleiarion
@Eearslya
Aug 02 2017 21:07
subscription
yeah it's $15/month
but you can pay in in-game currency so :shrug:
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:08
(gems of PoF will start appearing after 72h right)
should yeah
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:08
(cool thanks!)
if they're not there after 72h contact support
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:09
is that for every type of payment?
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:09
ah I am not in a rush
nah just gems
wait
@Archomeda I don't understand the question
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:09
we dutch people rarely use creditcards and mostly just ideal
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:09
yeah I cannot actually chargeback my transaction
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:09
i mean creditcards, debit w/e, paypal, etc...
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:09
the money is yours now :P
:>
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:10
yeah, we cannot do chargebacks with ideal
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:11
(that struck me the most being in the states, dutch debit cards are so much less retarded than credit cards)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:11
i suppose the bank can actually
agreed
sadly ideal never caught on in the rest of the world
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:12
its cool that we can pay with it tho
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:12
true
i'm pretty certain we couldn't on launch
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:12
like no-one at anet probably has any clue what IDEAL is
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:12
probably :>
at least digital river knows about it
anet probably just thinks about the actual meaning of the word "ideal" itself :P
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:14
the flow of ideal payments on GW2 is a bit weird tho
and its also called "bank account" and not "ideal"
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 21:14
I just use PayPal for everything
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 21:49
heh it's weird going back to my old game on my dev account and being bombarded with questions :)
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:49
lol
you have a dev flag? :P
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 21:50
What are people asking?
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 21:50
they're panicking with the company closing down news
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 21:51
Do you think the game is going to live on or is it done for?
basically it's gonna be handed to the players to run their own servers
so no idea
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 21:52
Oh wow, that's a neat dev flag
Got light reflection going on and everything
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 21:52
:D
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:53
i'm surprised you still have a dev flag, since you're no longer working with them anymore, right?
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 21:53
come on, the whole client+server were written by 4 guys
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 21:53
It seems somehow mean to take that away from him
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 21:54
this is an indie project from before indie was a term
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:54
:P
get a FORMER-DEV flag, which seems more awesome because it's bigger :P
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 21:54
:D
i just told them that instead of the new perpetuum client the new ui engine is being utilized in a gw2 overlay. let's see how they react. :D
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 21:59
lol
windwarrior
@windwarrior
Aug 02 2017 21:59
how many people are online :P?
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 21:59
wtf lol
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 21:59
in this chat? 9+me
JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer
Aug 02 2017 21:59
That's so mean
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 21:59
but the game is all secretive
15 online atm :D
BoyC
@BoyC
Aug 02 2017 22:41
it's amazing that one of the people online is a guy who's been playing the game since the closed beta... in 2010
Archomeda
@Archomeda
Aug 02 2017 23:35
wow