nice to haveor whatnot issues in a way people know its coming and it's not only laying there in wait of nobody knows what
@Didd I found your today's PR , without any comments / answers to my questions posted in our "private" GitHub thread. I would like to discuss with you our next "tack" as the AUCS basic sample collection is very close to be done and we need to create the balance between AUCS Full-stack samples and AUCS Identity Management samples.
Is there a window in time when we chat in "real time" ?
@all it was fun to think about a project like AUCS, where I tried to play the role of the community organizer, willing to evangelize and do all pedestrian work needed to keep people organized. As it turns out despite many successful activities of this type I did in the past, in this context several things went wrong: I overestimated people's ability to contribute, my own ability to evangelize and underestimated ambitions of a few that wanted to something similar in their own "management".
I had three pretty good years in the world of Aurelia and I do not regret doing what I did. Time to do something else.
My interest in Aurelia is not driven by using Aurelia for developing applications for a fee (as most of the Aurelia Community members do), but rather by desire to help fighting the much richer competitors (Angular and React come to mind) by providing the documentation that is missing. It is missing because despite having a brilliant author with equally good core team all of them are and have to be completely focused on the framework only.
My great idea was to organize the members of Aurelia community (5000+) who are all great developers (otherwise would not pick Aurelia :smirk: ). As I do not believe that five thousand people would be all so self -centered that I got just 3 people to help AUCS, it ought to be that people like @Alexander-Taran were right saying that I completely failed in organizing the AUCS (note that he is now in the process of creating https://github.com/aurelia-contrib which seemingly has the similar intent).
In summary: I am leaving Aurelia Community not because of a doubt in Aurelia future, but because of the aurelia community.
intent of contrib is to ease in the new aurelia developers experience..
provide a quick getting started guide and collection of recipes..
I also want to gather all relevant information scattered all over the blogs/issues and repoes in one place.. like electron-userland does
That's a dream
Any willing to contribute members are welcome. Don't see why two initiatives can't coexist.
We have one repo to dump everything. I believe structure will come.
Content is the king
I also triage issues for the main repos
Sometimes there is a need for small pull requests to core docs.
I create issues for those in contrib.
And ppl can just grab those marked 'contribute_to_core'
Team is very grateful for that. And pull requests get merged in a matter of days.
@jmdavid allow me to set the record straight: AUCS and aurelia-contrib are two parallel efforts created to engage members of aurelia community to help augment aurelia technical guides. They are not by any means competitive in their approaches and in theory could be running in parallel if it weren't the case that they are competing for the same resource: amount of good will / available time / perceived value of these two project's outcome.
AUCS is pretty well defined here and in order to get going I expected at least 6-7 developers who could afford at least 20 hours a week to spend on this project. At initial count - there were 25 members of the community willing to participate, but when I sent the signal that it is time to start - just one person appeared. There were statements made that I overdesigned the supporting infrastructure (I claim that it is needed for managing the parallel effort of 25 developers), that nobody has the time to read the instructions needed o be able to start spending time on AUCS (perhaps - but I got not a single question how to interpret this or that), so I am guessing that it is the size of AUCS output / expected amount of time that turned people off. Even if this is the correct reason, I have not seen any offer of the type "I would like to work on only this part of the whole - can we do that?
aurelia-contrib is a lot more "humble", expecting contributions in a small chunks, without any synchronization needed between the contributor. My only comment to this effort is it's great but it does not address my needs (that I had through 3 years of trying to learn Aurelia).
That is the summary of AUCS - most people would like to hear a hip-hop song or two - there are also people who would go listen to a long opera. We are all different, so my effort to "present an opera" failed due to lack of audience (as it often happens with real operas)
I need to explain the statement made above
There were statements made that I overdesigned the supporting infrastructure (I claim that it is needed for managing the parallel effort of 25 developers).
Unlike aurelia-contrib projects, AUCS is a single (hopefully interesting) story on developing Aurelia applications, which assumes that the used already knows what aurelia-contrib is teaching (tips and tricks, which by the way was one of the part of the AUCS, that seems to be taken over by aurelia-contrib). AUCS is built around a solid state of samples that are used in all different aspects of Aurelia application development (SPA, front end of an client server, Identity Management, application deployment with docker /kubernetes) - technical documentation that would put Aurelia on the same footing with much competitors that have a lot more resources (Angular, React etc.)
@Didd - There is no sense to try to resurrect AUCS - as it has died without a chance of getting a new life. There are so many other opportunities to do something useful and fresh in a place where you will be properly appreciated. There is a sufficient number of members of aurelia-community organization that have seen your "cry for help" without making a a hint of a response, to recognize that this dog will not hunt
I believe that AUCS is a noble attempt, presented to the community that did not want to make even a feeble attempt to understand what was being proposed. Whether this is the consequence of lack of respect for me, or my proposal was fully evaluated and assessed as bad - the conclusion that this community does not deserve us, stands :smile:
See me at https://gitter.im/Didd