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    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    @maroy1986 there is no chance that I will get you wrong as I appreciate every single word of your contribution. Please use your salt-shaker wherever you can and I understand your shedule juggling perfectly well. This understanding made me to work in the scheduling and management infrastructure, where everyone could pick a "piece of desired size and content" and share the state of his contribution in a public way.
    Marc-Andre Roy
    @maroy1986
    :+1:
    and over it, I'm learning Angular at the moment (client request, we didn't win the fight for aurelia) but that could be useful for some eventual comparison guide I guess.
    It's always good to have a view of what's going on else where
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    Yes, writing comparisons, benchmarks etc is certainly something we lack and need
    Even more you will develop a stronger attraction to Aurelia after learning Angular
    Marc-Andre Roy
    @maroy1986
    yeah, so despite the fact I was kind of sad we didn't win the battle for aurelia over angular with our client, I tend to look at it the other way, why not take this opportunity to learn it and then compare it by knowing what I'm talking about
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    Did I manage to clear up the impression how I am not sure what am I doing trying to organize our "movement"?
    Marc-Andre Roy
    @maroy1986
    Yeah I see a bit more where we going
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    @maroy1986 :smile:

    quick poll (before starting the real surveys via our AUCS website)

    Please check the https://aurelia-community.github.io/ and give any feedback you think is worth sharing. The Blog does not work yet (@maroy1986 know why) and Help has to be added also
    I am diving into Ghost - Nginx internal fight :smirk:
    Fabio Luz
    @fabioluz
    I'm kind lost in the middle of everything... a lot of things going on
    Shouldn't we start from a "Get Started" tutorial? Using CLI, etc.. ?
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    @fabioluz just like @maroy1986 you feel as if we are already doing something. Well, aside for the work you did on https://aurelia-community.github.io, which is really a precursor to our work, we did not yet do anything. Please check the explanation I wrote above :point_up: January 18, 2018 10:15 AM and come back here with additional questions (if you find that you have them still)
    Fabio Luz
    @fabioluz
    @adriatic That explained a lot. I think I'm back on track now! :smile:
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    I am glad to "hear" that @fabioluz - it is very important to ensure clear communications at all times. As I am not sure that I can cover all possible cases of confusion, please make sure to always tell me about anything you find "weird"
    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji
    Hello guys,
    nice to see a community room
    many thanks to @adriatic
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    Hello @shahabganji - happy to "see you here"
    Do you have a few minutes to chat?
    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji
    yeap sure

    happy to "see you here"

    @adriatic my pleasure :+1:

    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    I will create the invitations from the GitHub Aurelia-Community organization for you and and your friend once we are done "talking" here :smile:
    You will mos likely get these invitations by email from GitHub
    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji
    OK, would be great
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    Ok, to give something to think about: as you may know, this Aurelia Users Community Space (AUCS) is created with the firm plan: help Aurelia with writing all technical documentation, from the view point of an application developer - as this is what is missing most
    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji
    I see
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    Your willingness to help, does not have to be limited to writing samples, manuals, tutorials, benchmarks (off of these being parts of the AUCS program). Given your work on toolkit, I could offer you participation in Aurelia-UI-Toolkits group work - a good example of this work is our Aurelia KendoUI bridge (https://github.com/aurelia-ui-toolkits/aurelia-kendoui-bridge) and the related "catalog app" at http://aurelia-ui-toolkits.github.io/demo-kendo/
    So, this could be the alternative that might help Aurelia even more as your preference is in creating tools (as different from framework components). Am I right here?
    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji
    as far as I understand, aurelia tools are different than aurelia components
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    Since I have everything set up for adding people to AUCS, I would suggest to start with that and once you see what is the plan for that group, you may decide whether you want to do that or something else
    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji
    OK, I wish I'll be helpful
    yet, i insist that I know almost nothing in js programming
    but I'll try my best
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic

    aurelia tools are different than aurelia components

    aurelia tools is also a community group that I organized some two years ago as https://github.com/aurelia-tools - we have not yet released anything as there are some really ambitious projects that I was not yet able to staff

    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji
    :+1: , wow, two years
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    None of these groups I mentioned so far are "owned" by Aurelia - these are all community teams that are closely related to Rob Eisenberg (Aurelia creator) and have daily verifications that our programs fit with Aurelia's global vision
    One of my ideas that I would like you to think about is to create the Aurelia Bootstrap bridge, just like we made https://github.com/aurelia-ui-toolkits/aurelia-kendoui-bridge
    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji

    https://github.com/aurelia-tools -

    I checked some of the repositories here :point_up_2: , looks some how abandoned or empty ?!

    Marc-Andre Roy
    @maroy1986
    That would be a good timming considering Bootstrap 4.0.0 get released yesterday
    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji

    That would be a good timming considering Bootstrap 4.0.0 get released yesterday

    yeah, so glad they released finally :smile:

    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic
    Check the above mentioned "catalog app" at http://aurelia-ui-toolkits.github.io/demo-kendo/ to realize what I mean by a great example of a modern technical document
    Marc-Andre Roy
    @maroy1986
    Yeah I'm happy they finally launch it. I've been using it since the Alpha.3 version like, 1.5 years ago
    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji
    looking forward to 4.1 which will support rtl
    Nikolaj Ivancic
    @adriatic

    I checked some of the repositories here :point_up_2: , looks some how abandoned or empty

    Like is said, this is a collection of "dreams" none finished and some not started. I mentioned this repository as a possible home for your toolkit.

    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji

    Check the above mentioned "catalog app" at http://aurelia-ui-toolkits.github.io/demo-kendo/ to realize what I mean by a great example of a modern technical document

    that's awesome, I liked it

    J├╝rgen Wenzel
    @jwx
    Hi, guys. Trying to catch up. Looking forward to seeing what this is and what you'll be up to. :)
    Saeed Ganji
    @shahabganji

    Like is said, this is a collection of "dreams" none finished and some not started. I mentioned this repository as a possible home for your toolkit.

    ahan, I get the point, would be great, I see v-grid, in ui-toolkits if I am not mistaking