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Joel Cox
@joelcoxokc

@rquast We have our own in house Material Design styles!.

Are you suggesting providing support for the MDL Library, styles?

If so, Do know of any benefits to using it’s markup and Styles over the Future AI’s syntax.

On a quick Note, I know you havn’t seen the Library, However If AI provided all and more than MDL, Would it still be worth using MDL?

Roland Quast
@rquast
@joelcoxokc I wouldn't use mdl if AI were available/stable. It's a stopgap solution at the moment for this project (at least until I have a prototype of it going). It hasn't been too bad except for customizing components that aren't available in it (like dialog, date picker, ui-virtualization).
@joelcoxokc would probably refactor everything later on to use AI
and I haven't done any localization yet either, so that's another thing that will force me to revisit the views
Rob Eisenberg
@EisenbergEffect
@rquast Please feel free to contact me privately, via email. I'd like to hear about your use cases.
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
@EisenbergEffect just switch to typescript. :-)
Joel Cox
@joelcoxokc
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Rob Eisenberg
@EisenbergEffect
Well, I just wrote a long description in an issue about why we couldn't do that...but I'm thinking I might eat my words depending on how this upgrade goes. I'm a little upset about how it was handled. But, I'll try to be patient and we'll see what happens here. (We do use the TS compiler in our build now...we have a hybrid build process that uses Babel and TS together.)
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Yeah, I have wondered why you decided to complicate your build by having to run it through multiple compilers instead of just keeping it simple and use typescript.
Especially when the angular team is using it as well.
Roland Quast
@rquast
I don't really care what transpiler is used, unless it dramatically affects the apps performance and stability.
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Tooling is soo much nicer with typescript and they seem to be doing a really good job with the project lately.
Michael Prescott
@michaelprescott
I stumbled upon Aurelia as I ran away from Angular. We invested several months work on an Angular 1.x product and aren't interested in 2.0 or typescript, but very happy with Babel. I'd like to read more about the reason to mix in type script.
Roland Quast
@rquast
can webstorm use jsdoc to do psuedo intellisense things like phpstorm can with phpdoc? I do miss intellisense.
Blake Niemyjski
@niemyjski
@michaelprescott why don't you like typescript
There's many reasons why it's awesome, types and annotations are a good thing
Would you think the same about it if it wasn't made by Microsoft ?
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
TypeScript just has an awesome tooling story. Other than that it's just another transputer bringing ES6 now.
Transpiler
Blake Niemyjski
@niemyjski
Yeah exactly
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Babel is pretty awesome too, but having great tooling on a large project is a huge advantage.
Blake Niemyjski
@niemyjski
Not only that but they can do optimizations they I don't think Babel. An do
Roland Quast
@rquast
yeah... like really good refactoring tools
Blake Niemyjski
@niemyjski
Like trimming out unused code and things like that
Don't think they do that now but it would be easy for them to
Code shaking?
Roland Quast
@rquast
the thing about aurealia though... is I don't think it needs a lot of refactoring tools
and if you keep your core logic outside of it (in a separate library) and use typescript to transpile that, then I can deal with not using TS in aurelia code.
Blake Niemyjski
@niemyjski
But why not simplify the build process
Did they get rid of the Babel runtime library ?
Been a while since I messed around with it
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Quick FYI: Babel 6 does not seemingly work with decorators. So, basically, don't update.
Over and out
Blake Niemyjski
@niemyjski
Dang
How did that make it through testing?
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
My guess? They only properly test stage-2 stuff?
Anyways, also means that until it's fixed there won't be .d.ts files
Cause the d.ts generator relies on them
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Can't do tree shaking. JS is a dynamic language.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
@ejsmith not true, ES6 imports/exports are staticly analyzeable
And can be tree shaken
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Sure as long as nobody uses any dynamic features.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@ejsmith @EisenbergEffect Because Typescript is too far behind... I use the ES7 Async/Await support in Babel for everything client and server now, and it won't be supported until maybe Typescript v2, whenever that gets released. I guess that doesn't really impact Aurelia, but its the primary reason I am using Babel vs Typescript, the slow release schedule on full ES6 support.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
@ejsmith No, you can't overwrite them. It'll result in runtime/parsetime errors.
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
We are already using async / await in typescript
@Alxandr so the analyzer knows when you do dynamic things and turns them into errors?
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
@ejsmith The imports are consts. You can't re-assign them.
So, if you simply disallow doing export let/var or export { foo } where foo is let/var (as opposed to const), which can easily be checked by a linter/babel/whatever, there is no way to shoot yourself in the foot
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
@chrismbeckett they seem to be ramping up their release cadence. 1.6 came really quickly after 1.5 and 1.7 is about to be released as well.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@joelcoxokc @rquast I am on MDL at the moment too, but certainly very, very interested in AI, and no issues with a subscription if it delivers what you are hinting at... If you don't need to have direct dependencies on external projects like Ionic or MDL, I think you should keep it in-house so you have full control over it.