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Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
@Alxandr didn't know that. That is really cool. So you can do tree shaking in Babel as well then, right? Would be nice to stop having to worry about all the unused code you bring in with each lib.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Well, the problem is (obviously) if whatever lib you import is written using cjs or amd
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
What is AI Aurelia interface?
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
In which case all bets are off
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Yeah, but hopefully those will start dying out soon.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
But as the world moves to write ES6, my guess is that more and more tools will spring up that does this
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Very cool.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
I saw one on reddit here 2-3 days ago
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
We are using MDL as well. Would really love to know what is going on with UI components for Aurelia.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@ejsmith Personally, I am ambivalent about the actual type support for TypeScript (I know some people love it), but I do love ES6/ES7 (particulary Async/Await that I could not live without anymore. I am worried that once we all start using TypeScript we are basically locked into Microsoft's approval and release schedule on new JavaScript features... and I hate that. It's also why I have refused to use Dart or CoffeeScript.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
@chrismbeckett Well, TS is OSS though
You can go fork it to infinity and beyond if you want
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
People would fork it if they messed up.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
It's just like what happened with node/iojs
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Also you are writing ES6 but just types added in.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Though, I'm more interested in Facebook Flow actually
If they could just get their act together and fix support for like... all of the things
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Pretty similar syntax as facebooks language and there is a JS proposal to make the type annotations part of JS.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@ejsmith Read the comment history for today, been some interesting info related to AI = Aurelia Interface. Pretty excited about it.
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Why are you interested in flow? I don't like any of the stuff coming out of Facebook. Hate hate that react is so popular.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Lol, why?
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
On my phone now. Would be hard to search, but I will try and find it later.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@ejsmith @Alxandr I like that React got the frameworks community to start thinking a different way. Composition pattern and components is the future, but I think that the React Virtual DOM is a temporary bridge technology masking mobile browser issues that is being resolved through standards and just normal tech progress.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
@chrismbeckett the virtual dom is completely and redicolously awesome for testing though
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Because it's fucking ridiculous to mix JS and HTML. And Vdom is working against web progress.
Roland Quast
@rquast
@ejsmith so you mean you hate jsx?
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
and it allows for server-side rendering....
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Yes that would be the biggest thing.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
I don't do servers in JS, so that don't help me at all
Joel Cox
@joelcoxokc
@rquast @forestmarie @chrismbeckett @Alxandr @airboss001 @andrevlins @adriatic @evanlarsen
And to any one else that was viewing in on this conversation. :point_up: October 30, 2015 2:42 PM about the aurelia-dialog.
I feel I may have mislead some regarding release Dates.
I will brief yall tomorrow AM, on the changes to the aurelia-dialog, here on Gitter. However, The PR still must go through some validation. It will not be released tomorrow.
If you have any questions or recommendations regarding the aurelia-dialog, we can discuss tomorrow.
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Server side rendering just seems silly to me. The search engines can handle JS just fine.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@joelcoxokc Honestly, I am excited about what you revealed today, but I don't expect it until next summer.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Lol, cause search engines are everything we ever cared about
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@joelcoxokc No issues with unrealistic expectations here :0
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
I've never in my life done SEO optimization :P
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
So why else are you doing server rendering?
Roland Quast
@rquast
@joelcoxokc @EisenbergEffect there's no hurry for me... don't worry yourselves too much. :)
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Cause it's way more performant
Anyways
Going to bed
It's 4:30 am
Roland Quast
@rquast
for an initial page load, yes, if people come to your site for the first time
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
I spent a day with the Visual Studio team recently as part of a group of mobile devs providing feedback. My #1 feedback was why do we still need multiple browser engines? The quirks in mobile browsers is even worse than it is in normal browsers. Is there really any market/competitive advantage to having multiple rendering engines?
Roland Quast
@rquast
that's pretty important
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
@chrismbeckett yes
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
In that regard I love the idea of Virtual DOM because you get a consistent DOM that works everywhere
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
We do not want a single browser engine
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
Why? Why can't it be like Node and be a consortium of the tech vendors.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Also, the VDOM is not mainly to provide a consistent DOM
Simple. Look what happened when IE was the only browser vendor