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Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
In which case all bets are off
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Yeah, but hopefully those will start dying out soon.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
But as the world moves to write ES6, my guess is that more and more tools will spring up that does this
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Very cool.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
I saw one on reddit here 2-3 days ago
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
We are using MDL as well. Would really love to know what is going on with UI components for Aurelia.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@ejsmith Personally, I am ambivalent about the actual type support for TypeScript (I know some people love it), but I do love ES6/ES7 (particulary Async/Await that I could not live without anymore. I am worried that once we all start using TypeScript we are basically locked into Microsoft's approval and release schedule on new JavaScript features... and I hate that. It's also why I have refused to use Dart or CoffeeScript.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
@chrismbeckett Well, TS is OSS though
You can go fork it to infinity and beyond if you want
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
People would fork it if they messed up.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
It's just like what happened with node/iojs
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Also you are writing ES6 but just types added in.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Though, I'm more interested in Facebook Flow actually
If they could just get their act together and fix support for like... all of the things
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Pretty similar syntax as facebooks language and there is a JS proposal to make the type annotations part of JS.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@ejsmith Read the comment history for today, been some interesting info related to AI = Aurelia Interface. Pretty excited about it.
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Why are you interested in flow? I don't like any of the stuff coming out of Facebook. Hate hate that react is so popular.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Lol, why?
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
On my phone now. Would be hard to search, but I will try and find it later.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@ejsmith @Alxandr I like that React got the frameworks community to start thinking a different way. Composition pattern and components is the future, but I think that the React Virtual DOM is a temporary bridge technology masking mobile browser issues that is being resolved through standards and just normal tech progress.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
@chrismbeckett the virtual dom is completely and redicolously awesome for testing though
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Because it's fucking ridiculous to mix JS and HTML. And Vdom is working against web progress.
Roland Quast
@rquast
@ejsmith so you mean you hate jsx?
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
and it allows for server-side rendering....
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Yes that would be the biggest thing.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
I don't do servers in JS, so that don't help me at all
Joel Cox
@joelcoxokc
@rquast @forestmarie @chrismbeckett @Alxandr @airboss001 @andrevlins @adriatic @evanlarsen
And to any one else that was viewing in on this conversation. :point_up: October 30, 2015 2:42 PM about the aurelia-dialog.
I feel I may have mislead some regarding release Dates.
I will brief yall tomorrow AM, on the changes to the aurelia-dialog, here on Gitter. However, The PR still must go through some validation. It will not be released tomorrow.
If you have any questions or recommendations regarding the aurelia-dialog, we can discuss tomorrow.
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
Server side rendering just seems silly to me. The search engines can handle JS just fine.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@joelcoxokc Honestly, I am excited about what you revealed today, but I don't expect it until next summer.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Lol, cause search engines are everything we ever cared about
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
@joelcoxokc No issues with unrealistic expectations here :0
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
I've never in my life done SEO optimization :P
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
So why else are you doing server rendering?
Roland Quast
@rquast
@joelcoxokc @EisenbergEffect there's no hurry for me... don't worry yourselves too much. :)
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Cause it's way more performant
Anyways
Going to bed
It's 4:30 am
Roland Quast
@rquast
for an initial page load, yes, if people come to your site for the first time
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
I spent a day with the Visual Studio team recently as part of a group of mobile devs providing feedback. My #1 feedback was why do we still need multiple browser engines? The quirks in mobile browsers is even worse than it is in normal browsers. Is there really any market/competitive advantage to having multiple rendering engines?
Roland Quast
@rquast
that's pretty important
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
@chrismbeckett yes
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
In that regard I love the idea of Virtual DOM because you get a consistent DOM that works everywhere
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
We do not want a single browser engine
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
Why? Why can't it be like Node and be a consortium of the tech vendors.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Also, the VDOM is not mainly to provide a consistent DOM
Simple. Look what happened when IE was the only browser vendor
We stopped innovating
The competition between the browsers is really good for the customers
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
I think the opposite, I think it is massively holding back the web.