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Roland Quast
@rquast
@joelcoxokc @EisenbergEffect there's no hurry for me... don't worry yourselves too much. :)
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Cause it's way more performant
Anyways
Going to bed
It's 4:30 am
Roland Quast
@rquast
for an initial page load, yes, if people come to your site for the first time
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
I spent a day with the Visual Studio team recently as part of a group of mobile devs providing feedback. My #1 feedback was why do we still need multiple browser engines? The quirks in mobile browsers is even worse than it is in normal browsers. Is there really any market/competitive advantage to having multiple rendering engines?
Roland Quast
@rquast
that's pretty important
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
@chrismbeckett yes
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
In that regard I love the idea of Virtual DOM because you get a consistent DOM that works everywhere
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
We do not want a single browser engine
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
Why? Why can't it be like Node and be a consortium of the tech vendors.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
Also, the VDOM is not mainly to provide a consistent DOM
Simple. Look what happened when IE was the only browser vendor
We stopped innovating
The competition between the browsers is really good for the customers
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
I think the opposite, I think it is massively holding back the web.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
And makes our developer life a tiny bit more dificult (as long as we keep to supporting only the latest browsers anyhow)
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
The worldwide waste of effort by developers and designers trying to support web apps across all the various browser issues is a huge waste of time and money.
It doesn't benefit users at all from my perspective. What is driving innovation is that people want to build more complex web applications.
Kijana Woodard
@kijanawoodard
@chrismbeckett you could say that about.......everything
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
No competition is a very dangerous thing
Kijana Woodard
@kijanawoodard
the question is, which browser should be "the browser". Suggest one and you'll start a flame war.
Roland Quast
@rquast
communism! :fire:
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
I don't think we can have 1 browser, tech vendors want it for integration and brand, but I think we could make the rendering engine a consortium...
Michael Prescott
@michaelprescott
@kijanawoodard Well, obviously, Chrome should be "the browser" ;)
Kijana Woodard
@kijanawoodard
@michaelprescott 6 months ago I would said obviously too. the last month i've been ready to switch. ;-)
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
Vendor prefixes and custom browser extensions have seen their day. Now its polyfills against future standards.
The standards process needs to move much faster, and multiple rendering engines is holding the pace of innovation back, not improving it.
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
A consortium would be a nightmare. Look at JS. They couldn't agree on anything
Kijana Woodard
@kijanawoodard
except multiple engines allow safe experimentation. lots of things start in one engine and get adopted by others or die. that's a good thing.
if there had to be agreement just to try....innovation doa
innovation is a messy business. if everyone would just think like me, sure, it would go smoothly and we'd cut out all this "waste".....but then we're limited to my ideas.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
In reality, Google adds innovation to browsers, and then Apple and Microsoft drag their feet for as long as possible before they actually support it.
Kijana Woodard
@kijanawoodard
where "my" == "consortium group think".
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
When there is no competition there is no pressure to innovate and the committee just argues with itself for years
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
@chrismbeckett not actually true
MS for instance just added async/await to their browser
Which no other browser has
Kijana Woodard
@kijanawoodard
@chrismbeckett that's a great point. let's stipulate to it's veracity. would you rather have google arguing with microsoft and apple in committee or putting out features in a browser?
Eric J. Smith
@ejsmith
The JS committee didn't get their heads out of their asses until Dart threatened them.
Chris Beckett
@chrismbeckett
No, when there is no profit to be derived or protected from competition, innovation dies. If there is no profit, there is no motivation for innovation at all by the big tech companies.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
There are several APIs that are used in browsers today that's sprung out of IE
Kijana Woodard
@kijanawoodard
i'd rather have the option of telling my users to use chrome then wait until google's lawyers finish arguing with apple's lawyers over the verbiage of a spec.
@Alxandr like say, XHR.
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
yes
Kijana Woodard
@kijanawoodard
a small thing ;-)
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
but more recent things too
Roland Quast
@rquast
think about it... if we only had one browser engine.. we wouldn't have had jquery!
Aleksander Heintz
@Alxandr
though im drng a blank