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    Elthariel
    @elthariel
    Bon appetit, monsieur !
    Stuart Ellis
    @stuartellis
    If there’s some work that you are interested in picking up, I don’t want to block you. I may have some time this weekend to pick up Backup again, but I thought that before :smile:
    Any way, lunch over, back to work work
    Elthariel
    @elthariel
    I wanted to discuss the integration of my existing openstack PR :)
    Stuart Ellis
    @stuartellis
    The main issue for this would be maintenance. Unfortunately, I don’t use OpenStack, so can’t really review or support code for it…. So, if this was integrated, you would have to commit to supporting it.
    Elthariel
    @elthariel
    I’ve been pushing for its inclusion for more than a year now, so I’d say it looks like commitment :). Also, this is mostly a simple wrapper around fog-openstack which is pretty well supported so the maintainance burden is likely going to be minimal (and it’s been running in prod for more than a year now to support this fact)
    Stuart Ellis
    @stuartellis
    The thing is, though, that I can’t take on any maintenance burden at all. Right now, there just isn’t anybody working on this software, and if/when I get a block of time, all of my effort is going to be to get the integration suite to the point where it’s feasible to ship something that works with Ruby 2.5. That’s actually why I split the modules into Core/Extras: the Core is stuff that might be tested, and the Extras won’t.
    Stuart Ellis
    @stuartellis
    So, the hard-nosed calculation is that I can’t accept a feature PR unless it comes with a maintainer, at least for that code, and ideally to help the project as a whole. I don’t claim that’s fair, but the resource pool is currently just me. And you, if you are interested.
    Elthariel
    @elthariel
    The backup gem is a core component of the solution I sell to my customers (I’m sort of a freelance devops), so I need this thing to work. I guess that provides you with an answer :)
    Stuart Ellis
    @stuartellis
    @elthariel OK, well then, let’s see what we can do :)
    Again, for me, the blocker on doing anything else is getting integration tests going again. There’s a lot of them in the vagrant/ directory, and I ported the basic process to Docker in the integration/ directory (with help from Tom), but then stalled out of time and motivation.
    Stuart Ellis
    @stuartellis
    PRs #906 and #907 are integration tests that I ported, but need integrating.
    Once I have some more tests going, then I need to figure out how to test some of the services.
    I looked at Travis + Docker a while ago, but IIRC it wasn’t great.
    I am talking to somebody from CircleCI tommorrow about work, and will probably ask about what they can do.
    Stuart Ellis
    @stuartellis
    The ideal situation would be to have some integration tests for everything marked Core, but life is never ideal :)
    The thing is that I know that Backup works now, but I want to minimise the risk that something break with Ruby 2.5.
    So that’s the state of play.
    I’m happy to take any help that I can get.
    Stuart Ellis
    @stuartellis
    Equally, if there’s something that I can do to help you, I’d like to do so.
    Stuart Ellis
    @stuartellis
    If you would like to check your PR against current master, I’ll review it, and merge it if possible.
    Elthariel
    @elthariel
    I’ll hopefully have a look at all this during the week
    Omachonu Ogali
    @oogali

    @stuartellis @tombruijn Would it be possible to get a bit of a "mentoring" session from you both, for the people who are serious about helping?

    I know you're both pressed for time when it comes to maintaining this project and because of its awesomeness, there's been a few people who have volunteered to help.

    But in its present form, the offers for help don't seem to reduce the stress of maintenance on you two, because of what I'm going to summarize as: skilled hands > unskilled hands.

    A mentoring session (or two) would cover things along the line of a coding style guide, contribution guidelines (e.g. must pass Travis, must not reduce test coverage more than X percentage points without +1s from Y maintainers), basic issue triage, closing answered or otherwise stale issues, etc.

    I know it's a big ask and it might be a slow ramp-up at first, but it would go along way in the sustainability of the project and avoid burning you two out.

    Tom de Bruijn
    @tombruijn
    Hi @oogali, sure thing. Contact me in a DM to get my skype details or other. I've also written down some of my ideas for improvement in this Backup issue: backup/backup#925
    To get an idea of what I would like to do longterm rather than fixing immediate bugs.
    Elthariel
    @elthariel
    @tombruijn Still interested into putting some effort onto this maintenance effort. Despite my efforts, I haven't been able to find a replacement for this tool, and I'm still using it in prod for the company I'm the CTO of.
    Also, I noticed recently that my PR for openstack-swift still had a typo I didn't cherry picked from the fork I'm using in prod, so the PR should be ready for evaluation
    But it requires updating the version of fog and twitter
    Elthariel
    @elthariel
    Hi folks !
    I'm going to try to bit around a bit more often
    I was just granted rights on the repo to take over the maintenance of the project a bit