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    but at the moment I'm following it without issues
    I've found it extremely useful and clear
    one small suggestion: old tutorials around your sites should be removed or there should be a title stating that those are decprecated
    I was looking for a routing guide and I've found
    it's dated 2012 and obviously is old but I didn't know if the Control concept was still valid or not
    btw even in the guide section
    still the Control example
    Justin Meyer
    @justinbmeyer
    yeah, we are updating the guides
    kiwi1342
    @kiwi1342
    but in one stackoverflow question I've found out that Control method should be no longer used
    thanks, that's really, really important for beginners (such as me)
    Justin Meyer
    @justinbmeyer
    yeah, it's our top priority once donejs is out
    kiwi1342
    @kiwi1342
    :+1:
    Alexis Abril
    @alexisabril
    @kiwi1342 can.Control isn’t deprecated, just to clarify
    We still use it today for specific scenarios. For example, if I’m creating a custom attribute(can.view.attr), I’ll use can.Control. The “events” object in a can.Component is actually a can.Control as well
    kiwi1342
    @kiwi1342
    ok but for beginners it's difficult to understand what's the correct way to start. Maybe in the future, for specific needs as you said, the user will need to use can.Control
    but for basic usage, what's the suggested way? Viewing the place-my-order app I would say app state and router map
    anyway thanks for your help and support. it's nice to see people working hard and be present every week with a video helping the community
    Matthew Phillips
    @matthewp
    You should almost always use can.Component
    Only use can.Control if you're an advanced user
    Mohamed Cherif Bouchelaghem
    @cherifGsoul
    I remember when I started canjs there was only Control compute observe and model :)
    Alexis Abril
    @alexisabril
    hey everyone! I’m delaying today’s podcast by 30 min as we’re having a few technical difficulties on our side today
    stay tuned, I’ll keep you posted!
    Mohamed Cherif Bouchelaghem
    @cherifGsoul
    @alexisabril ok
    what's the topic of today?
    Alexis Abril
    @alexisabril
    today is a StealJS overview by StealJS’s lead @matthewp
    Mohamed Cherif Bouchelaghem
    @cherifGsoul
    aha very interesting
    Matthew Phillips
    @matthewp
    sorry everyone, my power mysteriously went out on this sunny 80° day
    Mohamed Cherif Bouchelaghem
    @cherifGsoul
    oh hope you're ok!!
    Matthew Phillips
    @matthewp
    i'm fine, just worried there for a minute that i forgot to pay my bill
    Mohamed Cherif Bouchelaghem
    @cherifGsoul
    Ok :)
    kiwi1342
    @kiwi1342
    Unfortunately I won't be able to make it 😔
    Matthew Phillips
    @matthewp
    :(
    Mohamed Cherif Bouchelaghem
    @cherifGsoul
    the link for the hangout :)
    Mohamed Cherif Bouchelaghem
    @cherifGsoul
    impressed with vim in sublime text days haha
    Mohamed Cherif Bouchelaghem
    @cherifGsoul
    build yes
    Matthew Phillips
    @matthewp
    Mohamed Cherif Bouchelaghem
    @cherifGsoul
    can you show us an example of cordova and nw build ?
    Mohamed Cherif Bouchelaghem
    @cherifGsoul
    thank you :)
    Matthew Phillips
    @matthewp
    thanks! sorry i didn't have time to go over cordova/nw
    we need to do a donejs podcast where we talk about those things
    Mohamed Cherif Bouchelaghem
    @cherifGsoul
    yes I think will be better with DoneJS
    Alexis Abril
    @alexisabril
    Getting started shortly!
    Daniel Hug
    @Daniel-Hug
    My first time live!
    Alexis Abril
    @alexisabril
    damerms
    @damerms
    Here's my question since I am not sure if I can stay long or at all.
    As JS experts, is it even necessary to use frameworks or libraries?