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A lightweight graphics device manager for Rust

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Dzmitry Malyshau

@kvark

cheers!

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

bjz, have you thought about what type of render you want to build?

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

@csherratt we will mainly wanting to be doing procedural stuff

http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0ww7apvCk1qgurm4o1_1280.png

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkcc7WqYN1qgurm4o1_1280.png

http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyannkY9pg1qgurm4o1_r1_1280.png

@csherratt ^

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

how did you make these bjz?

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

the first two are in photoshop

the last one is a mockup over an old screenshot

like, this is all my little thing could do: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxm7q4mHQi1qgurm4o1_1280.png

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

So how photo realistic do you want?

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

stuff like reflections and stars were added in later

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

or do you want a specific style

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

basically what you see in the first one, but I think I could push it further, and add more detail

I am heavily pushing 'ambiance' though, so it would be awesome if big mountains cast shadows that moved during the day

I mean, fields of grass waving around would be amazing

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

Part of the long term goals of snowmew is to build a None-photo realistic render. I have an artist friend who is pushing his dream of how he wants and some of it is a pretty difficult problem.

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

a vast plain of long grass, shimmering in the breeze - cloud systems, with layers up into the stratosphere, little villages

this is not the quality of render I want, but it gives a rough idea of a village http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvelb6mVgz1qgurm4o1_500.png

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

Have you played anything by "That game company" ?

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

the demo of flower and the old flash version of flow

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

So like the grass in flower?

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

not sure - I think I have seen similar in miyazaki films

I just want a beautiful place to explore, would be awesome in VR

to transform my art into generative systems that take on a life of their own

perhaps snowmew could be useful - I dunno

but definitely we would need to figure out a way to handle content generation - how top-down/bottom-up we wanted to be

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

I'm not sure procedural generation will work well with the architecture of snowmew

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

yeah, that is the issue

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

It can be done, but I think that requires more direct buffer accesses which are not really possible in a deeply pipelines architecture.

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

we need something that will work well with procedural stuff - folks have the same trouble with unity

not sure if you have any ideas regarding that

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

I have not read to much up on it.

So what is needed for fast procedural generation?

I imagine it is trying to work just a few objects ahead of what is being drawn, but that is a wild guess.

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

http://youtu.be/bxrTXU8n72g?t=1m48s

yeah, I have yet to get my head around that

I was going to try for this first, but I don't know beyond that

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

How vertex buffers are handled is something I want to look at in snowmew, they are all static right now which is not great.

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

I am thinking maybe we might have to just do a bottom up generation of the world, then fill in details lazily

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

hmm

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

it is tricky

Coraline Sherratt

@removed~csherratt

I think the issue is making the world expand at the edges.

Brendan Zabarauskas

@brendanzab

yep

and exploding cache sizes

I don't want an infinite world

I definitely want something finite - I think the idea of an infinite world can overwhelm players a little