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Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
i am surfing via window.location in the dev tools on the ATM
:D
Eben
@eben-roux
just before I left I actually pushed for just picking another option and I was pushing for canjs
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
canjs is still a good option
Eben
@eben-roux
was negotiating with Justin and... I think Brian or some such... anyway
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
but i have always the same case
some times the apps stop working because of little refactors
and after that it takes ages to recover
thats why i want to use the nativ stuff :)
Eben
@eben-roux
the point is that companies cannot always afford the time and effort to "upgrade"... and by the time I left they had spent ZAR1,000,000,000 (that's 1 BILLION Rand)
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
Rand is this indian currency right?
Eben
@eben-roux
now, at the time you paid around 10-12 Rand for a dollar so in the vacinity of a $100 million project
and even they haven't bothered
lol
Kevin Phillips
@phillipskevin
yeah, definitely understand that
Eben
@eben-roux
just saying :)
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
@eben-roux your not alone with this :)
i have the same issues thats why i think only the nativ api's can save us
Eben
@eben-roux
I have seen Justin's post on canjs 4 and perhaps I'll chime in... but stability is key
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
they need to get defined
Eben
@eben-roux
something like Log4Net hasn't changed in about 100 years and that... is... AWESOME
Kevin Phillips
@phillipskevin
a lot of what we're doing with breaking things into small packages and separating out stateful packages is driven by exactly this
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
i think its also javascript related at all
as its weak typed
Eben
@eben-roux
and "awesoem" is a word I don't like so I don't use it much
in the .Net world with ..Net Core there seems to be a tendency to break things into smaller bits as well...
there are pros and cons either way... all about balance
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
ya but mainting this small things leads also to tons of failurs
my most problems are resulting from the modlet structure
Eben
@eben-roux
it isn't always apparent when to include a package with canjs although it seem "always" should be appropriate :)
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
if i would do that all in a single file i would end in more solid code
:D
all this combining via steal and that all that leads to issues
Eben
@eben-roux
@frank-dspeed well... with my own projects I have the core define the required interfaces and then you pick the implementation you want
it is the D (dependency inversion) in uncle Bob's SOLID principles
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
i think i will stop the module work flow for some time
because as i don't used such stuff all worked always
:D
Eben
@eben-roux
so it is a mixture... but then again, my project is not quite as big
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
befor 5 years i did prototypes in jquery
they are still stable running
:D
Eben
@eben-roux
do you mean "prototype"? as in the library? a la jquery, mootools?
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
i mean with that POC of apps
Eben
@eben-roux
oh
Frank Lemanschik
@frank-dspeed
i simply used jquery for the whole app
and its still running and upgrade able
and performance is not so bad
Eben
@eben-roux
yes... prototype applications have a tendency to become production solutions once someone gets hold of them
jquery is a rather thin wrapper over the native JS nowadays but very useful... back in the day where you had inconsistent browser implementations it was a godsend