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Luke deGruchy
@lukedegruchy
no way Apple uses GPL3 for anything
Luke deGruchy
@lukedegruchy
this hasn't gotten a lot of love recently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceylon_(programming_language)
Gavin King
@gavinking
@xkr47 thanks
The problem is that I don’t believe we’re allowed to mess with our own wiki entry
but @xkr47 or @renatoathaydes or @lukedegruchy could...
Renato Athaydes
@renatoathaydes
:D
I've written a lot about Ceylon lately! Will leave wikipedia for others!
Luke deGruchy
@lukedegruchy
am I considered biased, though?
Tom Bentley
@tombentley
Surely as long as the author can back up their edits with references there's a limited scope for bias.
Gavin King
@gavinking
@lukedegruchy only by one person
i consider you knowledgeable
“bias” in this context I would take to mean some direct financial incentive
I bet that even Lucas or John would be fine
Lucas Werkmeister
@lucaswerkmeister
I’ve done a few edits, but I generally don’t try to get too much involved with Wikipedia, too much risk for drama
Gavin King
@gavinking
heh
Lucas Werkmeister
@lucaswerkmeister
but yeah, I don’t think that articles should only be written by people who have no opinion one way or the other on the topic
that’s ridiculous
Gavin King
@gavinking
much better to stick to reddit LOL
Luke deGruchy
@lukedegruchy
@gavinking yeah... I'm definitely not getting paid for this :) I mean that I'm biased in my preference for Ceylon versus, say Kotlin or Scala
Gavin King
@gavinking
well that’s irrelevant to whether you can accurately describe Ceylon
nobody is suggesting that the wiki article for Ceylon should compare it to any other language
Luke deGruchy
@lukedegruchy
ok
Gavin King
@gavinking
though it could mention where it takes inspiration from other langs
Luke deGruchy
@lukedegruchy
well the influenced by should definitely include ML
it only includes Scala, Java and Smalltalk
Gavin King
@gavinking
agree
any others?
Lucas Werkmeister
@lucaswerkmeister
aren’t the union types stolen from typescript? ;)
Gavin King
@gavinking
I can’t think of any other really major influence
gavinking @gavinking slaps @lucaswerkmeister
Luke deGruchy
@lukedegruchy
where did you get the inspiration for the declarative programming/named argument features ?
Gavin King
@gavinking
um
let me think
Lucas Werkmeister
@lucaswerkmeister
where do the stream operations come from? they sound very Haskell-y to me, though I guess they’re probably common to a lot of languages
Gavin King
@gavinking
from XML I guess
Bastien Jansen
@bjansen
isn't Ceylon influenced by Kotlin?
Lucas Werkmeister
@lucaswerkmeister
map, filter, etc
gavinking @gavinking slaps @bjansen really hard
Gavin King
@gavinking
yeah where do our streams come from?
Bastien Jansen
@bjansen
I mean, Kotlin == tea pot, Ceylon == tea
Gavin King
@gavinking
not from Haskell no
not from Scala either b/c Scala’s wasn’t big on the whole laziness thing (not sure now)
Scala was all Lists at the time
I remember looking at one streams api for C++ or something?
Bastien Jansen
@bjansen
so, this is the only place where I hear people talk about ML, is it still used? What kind of apps can you write with this language?
Gavin King
@gavinking
but I think at that stage I already had the notion that they would be lazy
@bjansen sadly ML has kind of been replaced by Haskell
Renato Athaydes
@renatoathaydes
But the ML type system lives on!
Gavin King
@gavinking
but, OTOH, Haskell is a kind of ML