These are chat archives for codebar/tutorials

Jun 2014
Andrew McDonough
Jun 24 2014 08:47
It's a 'no' from Sublime on free licences:

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your email.

We do not offer free licenses of any kind; however part of the reason we offer a free unlimited trial is so students like yours can learn on Sublime Text without the burden of paying for it.

Version 3 is now available to trial too:


Sales Team
Sublime HQ PTY LTD

Should we be recommending an alternative that is more 'free'? Or just putting up with the nagware?
Despo Pentara
Jun 24 2014 09:53
@andrewmcdonough I don't use any of these editors but how about textmate or atom? Besides the Windows support is sublime that much better?
Alexander Jahraus
Jun 24 2014 10:23
Atom is free, but currently Mac-only. Sublime is cross-platform, but not free (and neither is TextMate). I think it makes sense to recommend free code editors as alternatives to Sublime. On Windows there’s Notepad++, on Macs there’s TextWrangler. For pure HTML/CSS there’s also Adobe Brackets, which has some unique features that are great for learning CSS.
Baris Balic
Jun 24 2014 10:40
Redcar was becoming useable last time I tried it and that was a awhile back so may be good by now? Also I'm loathed to say it but JetBrains gave us some free licences previously for another charity project
Andrew McDonough
Jun 24 2014 13:42
I tried Redcar out a while ago, and it was great, but flakey in a few parts. Its website says fairly clearly "Redcar is not finished", then the last commit was over a year ago. If it's been abandoned, maybe it's not the best thing to recommend to beginners. Jetbrains Webstorm is a little heavy IMHO in both features, and also download size (127Mb), which could prove problematic in some of the venues. Notepad++ on the other hand appears to be 7.7Mb. I'd also be a fan of recommending stuff that's actually free, so maybe we should go with Notepad++ for Windows users and Atom for Mac?
Jon Kelly
Jun 24 2014 15:30
Very much IMHO on Windows editors - Notepad++ seems a good editor for students to begin with - it has decent syntax highlighting and to me has a "friendly" feel, as well as being very configurable. Webstorm might be helpful for some intermediate and above students. It's also very configurable, so to some extent it can be used like sublime if people want that (although I use it myself in a ide-style). The code-completion and JS-hint/lint features can be handy. (jkbits1 === Jon Kelly)