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2nd
Oct 2014
Alex Pounds
@creature
Oct 02 2014 10:18
Someone has asked me (genuinely, not trollingly) what "underrepresented in the tech industry" means. Does anyone have a good link I can include in my reply?
Rosa Fox
@Rosa-Fox
Oct 02 2014 10:41
it seems to be quite hard to find solid data but in terms of women in tech maybe get them to read the downloadable PDF report on here: http://www.e-skills.com/research/research-themes/women-in-it/ other than that I guess underrepresented means anyone who would be considered to be within a minority, so I would think LGBTQ and people from different ethnicities... I guess anyone who may experience difficulties from not fitting into the 'white straight male' description... though In Brighton if someone who isn't 'underrepresented' wanted to come to Codebar then they could do, as long as they bought someone with them who fell into the category, but I guess in London places fill up so they need to prioritise who gets a space. I'll have a look around and see if I can find any broader data.
Baris Balic
@barisbalic
Oct 02 2014 10:49
@creature @Rosa-Fox I think the closest we have for women in tech is the BCS numbers, you should find them here: http://policy.bcs.org/sites/policy.bcs.org/files/Women%20in%20IT%20scorecardv2.pdf
Baris Balic
@barisbalic
Oct 02 2014 10:55
In summary, I think 16% of all IT specialists across all industries are women, a subset of around 9% I think make up web-dev and engineering. This only covers women, and I would be careful of trying to define 'underrepresented', as it implies there is a specific/correct level of representation.
Alex Pounds
@creature
Oct 02 2014 10:56
Yep, that's the tricky aspect of this bit; it's not just about women. I was hoping for an article that's all-encompassing.
Baris Balic
@barisbalic
Oct 02 2014 10:56
You won't find one
At least none that are easily digestible, the numbers will vary between cities, countries and sectors, and in many cases it would rely on information that would be very sensitive. Employers are likely not allowed in most contexts to even ask if someone feels they have gender identity issues or what their sexual preferences are. Which would mean relying on voluntary surveys, which again feel like they would fall short of producing accurate data.
Baris Balic
@barisbalic
Oct 02 2014 11:03
Then you'll probably have arguments about subgroups of straight white males being underrepresented. I don't, for example, consider any of the bigots, racists, fascists or misogynists that I hear about in tech, representative of myself, the fact that we share colour and gender doesn't change that.
Whatever you find, please share as I would be happy to know more.