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Alexander Jahraus
@fanaugen
@thealmightyis I’d say that would violate their SLA, since "the codebar students" are by no standards an organisation, they are clearly individuals.
Ollie Silviotti
@ollie101

I made a couple of minor comments on the lessons @despo - nothing major, looks good to me.

Re:editors - I don't think there's really a need to move away from using Sublime unless people find the pop-up that annoying, especially if they're happy for students to use it indefinitely. Notepad++ and Atom are good alternatives if not though.

Jon Kelly
@jkbits1
@despo - I looked at the first changed file, and there are some really good changes in there, both from a technical and from a teaching perspective. Only one small comment from me. I'll look at the second file later.
Baris Balic
@barisbalic
Alex Pounds
@creature
Hi! I had a great time coaching last night. I can't make it next week but I'll be along for the event the week after. :)
Despo Pentara
@despo
@creature thanks for helping out!
Despo Pentara
@despo
Hey guys you can switch to the new gitter by changing to 'next' at http://next.gitter.im - visually it should have a next button in the middle of the top bar
Andrew McDonough
@andrewmcdonough
Re: editors, Atom is now available on Windows: https://atom.io/faq
Baris Balic
@barisbalic
Oh that could be pretty handy for attendees
Does it have the react patch? That shit must be like gold.
Alexander Jahraus
@fanaugen
Another editor I found exceptionally useful in teaching HTML & CSS is Adobe’s Brackets (http://brackets.io). It has a built-in one-click live preview (which opens a Chrome instance), so you have source code and rendered HTML side-by-side, the latter updates as you type, highlighting the element you just modified. Mac OS X only

Also I personally can’t take wasting so much time on typing (rather, watching the student type) angle brackets and closing </tags>, so I always recommend installing the Emmet plugin/extension available for Atom, Sublime, and Brackets: Type img[tab] and it expands to <img src="" alt="" />, placing your cursor inside the quotes after src.

Oh, by the way, just found out that Brackets has a Windows version, too

Mario Gintili
@mariogintili
How about using http://jsfiddle.net/ ? you have everything in one place and it's in the browser
Alexander Jahraus
@fanaugen
@mariogintili I know, I’m also introducing students to http://jsbin.com, but when all the required software is on your own machine (and works offline) it just psychologically feels more like coding imho.
Baris Balic
@barisbalic
Maybe get everyone onto vim
or emacs
Mario Gintili
@mariogintili
@fanaugen I see your point :) but maybe providing a painless setup in the beginning provides a better experience?
Despo Pentara
@despo
Is brackets better than atom? Also I agree with @fanaugen. We are trying to help people learn programming, so I don't consider jsbin or jsfiddle an editor alternative and installing a text editor is not a complex task
@barisbalic ;) or not
Alex Pounds
@creature
I am a big fan of Vim, personally, but I'm 100% behind getting students to use Sublime. It's a nice editor with a large community following, and feels friendlier/more familiar to someone just starting out.
There's already a lot of complex stuff for students to take in; I'd much rather they focused on the coding part rather than learning a weird editor.
Despo Pentara
@despo
we asked sublime for licences but they were not up for giving us any so we eventually concluded in atom, because its open source and now has windows support too.
but we can pick up this discussion again in the next meeting, which will be on the 26th. I will send out the link to it later.
Alex Pounds
@creature
I don't have strong feelings in the Atom vs Sublime discussion. :) I just don't think that stuff like Vim and Emacs is the way to go. :)
Despo Pentara
@despo
@creature of course! We are teaching programming not typing or vim :P
so emacs and vim are a definitely no for suggesting to students.
*definite
Despo Pentara
@despo
Is anyone up for doing some private paid one-to-one sessions? There is a student who needs help but doesnt fit our target group and his focus is on understanding TDD and other concepts who are a lot more advanced that what we are focusing on.
Alex Pounds
@creature
Did he have a price & location in mind?
Despo Pentara
@despo
No, but can I get back to you on that?
Alex Pounds
@creature
Sure.
Baris Balic
@barisbalic
I think it's a hard sell on vim/emacs, but the positives are: available practically everywhere, including some random box your boss set up in 1991 in the corner of the office, emacs uses fairly common (unixy) bindings for lots of actions, both encourage typing practice and touch-typing which I believe to be reasonably important. But I do understand any hesitance
Despo Pentara
@despo
we have had some people trying to use vim when we first started, it really didnt work out well as all their mental effort was going into understanding vim.
Daniel Barber
@danbee
@barisbalic If you want available everywhere, why not nano/pico? ;)
I have to agree with @despo. Not worth trying to teach vim/emacs at the same time as coding.
And I say that as a vim user.
Baris Balic
@barisbalic
I agree, was just playing devils advocate
Daniel Barber
@danbee
Fair enough
Abby Millward
@amillward
How do I list as attending the wednesday workshop? When I click the email invite then click 'attend', it just puts me back on the same page
Alexander Jahraus
@fanaugen
It might be because the Wednesday workshop is now fully booked. When I try to attend now, the following message appears above the hero image: "Unfortunately there are no more spaces left :(. If you would like to join our waiting list send us an email at london@codebar.io"
Andrew McDonough
@andrewmcdonough
Unfortunately the capacity is limited by the sizes of the office that currently host. If anybody knows of bigger spaces that would accommodate, I'm sure @despo would love to hear from you.
In other Codebar news, for those who didn't make it, Rosa did an awesome job representing Codebar at LRUG this evening. Her talk should be up on the Skillsmatter website soon.
Rosa Fox
@Rosa-Fox
Thanks! :)
Ann Danylkiw
@annlytical
there's no upcoming Brighton event scheduled -- will there be one?
Rosa Fox
@Rosa-Fox
the next one is on Tuesday 22nd at Ideal Networks in Kemp Town, I will put it up on the website and also send out the invitations tonight, sorry for the delay
Ann Danylkiw
@annlytical
oh, no! don't apologise! I was just worried for a second that you decided there weren't enough people coming to continue holding the events in Brighton. Good to know that's not the case :-)
Despo Pentara
@despo
@all is anyone up for working on this? https://github.com/codebar/tutorials/issues/99#issuecomment-49043807 @jkbits1 ?
or more generally, there are a couple of issues that I opened after the meeting we had last month to discuss missing tutorials and courses. If you think/have the time to pick up one it would be great. The format should be similar to other tutorials, following a learn by doing style. https://github.com/codebar/tutorials/issues?state=open
Jon Kelly
@jkbits1
@despo, I'm happy to take a look at this issue. I'll try out installing the gSchool tables in sqlite, and create the answers to some of the exercises. I can create some headers for a tutorial, and write some instructions, but I'll welcome some assistance in making the text sound as friendly and interesting as the existing codebar tutorials!