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    Carl Boettiger
    @cboettig
    hi
    Matt Jones
    @mbjones
    Hi
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    I'm in!
    Abigail Cabunoc Mayes
    @acabunoc
    hello :wave: :sparkles: :tada:
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    :thumbsup:
    @krzysztof here is my attempt at an updated context: https://github.com/kyleniemeyer/codemeta/blob/patch-2/codemeta.jsonld
    Neil Chue Hong
    @npch
    Yet another chat channel - woo!
    Abigail Cabunoc Mayes
    @acabunoc
    YACC
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    Luke Coy
    @lukecoy
    :+1:
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    acabunoc @acabunoc gets ready to spam kyle
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    @acabunoc :worried:
    Matt Jones
    @mbjones
    Hey @kyleniemeyer -- any chance you could push your most recent version of the crosswalk table into github? maybe in a branch?
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    Not in front of my computer at the moment, but i will push it later tonight when I am
    Matt Jones
    @mbjones
    OK, we could use it whenever you get a chance. We're in the lobby trying to get it presentable for tomorrow.
    Matt Jones
    @mbjones
    hey @acabunoc and @kyleniemeyer do you have a citation or url to the python specification of software metadata that you mapped in the table?
    Neil Chue Hong
    @npch
    @mbjones It should be in the google doc for our breakout
    Lemme see
    @mbjones yup - take a look at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/113p7tQz3Pw8wYIzQnSBrCOmGv2LJZ7nBAzKh1ZtG6G4/edit for all the sources for the additional columns from our group
    Matt Jones
    @mbjones
    thanks
    Matt Jones
    @mbjones
    Hey CodeMeta'ers :0 Anyone want to review my PR for the SCWG document about the codemeta crosswalk; see force11/force11-scwg#125
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    @cboettig @danielskatz @ashleysa (the latter two may not be in Gitter): we should try to resolve the authorship question
    Carl Boettiger
    @cboettig
    @kyleniemeyer @danielkatz @ashleysa indeed. open to ideas but here's one proposal for you: If no one wants to take on a leadership role in wrangling and seeing it out the door; I'm happy to cover that and play first-author. If someone (cough Kyle) wants to do that I'd love to make them first author, maybe Ashley as second, and propose I go at the end ("senior author"). We order the others by some arbitrary metric, and we say authorship order was determined by "the consensus of the workshop" if we comment on it at all. Does this sound fair?
    Daniel S. Katz
    @danielskatz
    As I said at the meeting, I think we either should list authors based on contribution (perhaps determined via the general consensus of the participants), or we should alphabetize (other than the lead author), as people who see a citation to the document will assume that we are doing one of these: If the order is alphabetic, it will be assumed that we used alphabetic order, and if the order is anything else, it will be assumed that we ordered according to contribution. (I can't believe I'm writing this badly while listening to a talk on bad writing)
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    Since @cboettig suggested it (and @danielskatz has done the lion’s share of the work on the software citation principles doc), I can take the helm on this one
    (was trying to fit as many cliches in there as I could)
    Matt Jones
    @mbjones
    I agree with Dan's assessment of ordering -- first author, then alphabetical. Otherwise, it should go by order of contribution, and that is much harder to determine, especially as several people have bene working off and on on this for several years.
    Daniel S. Katz
    @danielskatz
    That's another good point - this shouldn't just be based on contributions to the paper but really to the whole ball of wax (trying to follow Kyle's example of the use of cliches)
    Ashley E. Sands
    @ashleysa
    The final potential authorship is a hybrid - the first set of authors are entered by order of contribution (or order of 'needing' authorship order?) and then the second set is alphabetical. This is actually common in astronomy. Perhaps too complicated in this context. The first set could be folks who 'need' earlier authorship and who actually step-up to ensure the writing itself is completed. Again, that's an option but may be too complicated - though it does provide incentive to not let the paper itself linger now that the enthusiasm of the weekend is over ;)
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    @ashleysa that is certainly an interesting idea, but that hierarchy might not be recognizable by most (or supported by the journal!). Looks like PeerJ just has a standard flat list of authors, so not sure if that approach would be compatible.
    I also agree that beyond whoever takes the lead being first author (either @cboettig or me, I guess), trying to order based on contribution (or need) becomes tricky and perhaps not fair/equitable. For my own case, other than the coveted lead author position, I don’t think position will matter too much—it’s a paper, and potentially one with good impact.
    Ashley E. Sands
    @ashleysa
    It's still just a flat list -- the two sets are smushed together like one normal author list -- you determine the order like any other article. It would depend on your community if you knew how to "read" the ordering -- but sounds like most communities here it doesn't matter. But again, don't want to force a crazy idea on anyone.
    Daniel S. Katz
    @danielskatz
    we’re going across communities, so we need to fall back to the least common elements, which is either alphabetical or significant
    Matt Jones
    @mbjones
    on another topic -- was the unit test framework using the json-ld library in ruby loading the context without error before?
    it currently is failing, seemingly because of a CORS header error on the context file
    Matt Jones
    @mbjones
    NM, I figured it out -- some syntax typos had been introduced in the schema during a PR -- all passing again
    Ashley E. Sands
    @ashleysa
    @cboettig So I think we've laid out all the authorship potentials. @danielskatz has a good point on alphabetical for simplicity (and because it seems to make sense to all research communities). Does that feel okay for @mbjones and @kyleniemeyer? If so, I'm okay with it.
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    Yes, I agree that authorship should be alphabetical, other than the first author (whoever that is)
    Carl Boettiger
    @cboettig
    Lots of people have made lots of different kind of contributions to the paper and broader ideas here. None of us believe these contributions are either exactly equal nor do we believe that they can be meaningfully rank-ordered in a single dimension. Thus I would prefer any decision that does not imply that we believe either of these fictions. I am perfectly fine with a hybrid order that is not alphabetical but also not a strictly ordered list from 1-17.
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    Well said, @cboettig—at this point, does anybody prefer a model other than lead + alphabetical?
    Sorry, I sent that message before finishing it
    ... Ok, this is an iOS gitter app problem... What
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    alright, I give up for now.
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    sorry for the jumble of messages, the iOS app was giving me problems last night… randomly sending messages before I finished typing with apparently no ability to edit
    I don’t think I have anything more to contribute on the authorship discussion :smile:
    Abigail Cabunoc Mayes
    @acabunoc
    oh yeah, i on iOS if you close the app it sends your current message
    Kyle Niemeyer
    @kyleniemeyer
    @acabunoc or blink, or look away, I think.