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Bart van Leeuwen
@semanticfire
Any chance for a LDN meet-up on August 9th in Boston? ( got some time to kill)
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
Totally!
I'll be here
Bart van Leeuwen
@semanticfire
I'll land 4:35pm ;)
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
What are you in town for?
Bart van Leeuwen
@semanticfire
Quick visit to NFPA in Quincy
For Linked Data work!
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
awesome
Sandro Hawke
@sandhawke
I don't know about --vb but don't think it would help since i can't control how the browser is run
Bart van Leeuwen
@semanticfire
I mean I don't know about the 6 connection limit?
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
hey @semanticfire hi! long time no see ... still the only fire fighter that speaks fluent sparql? :) nice to see you here! :)

Can I use ldn for push notifications between a server and applications / apps?

yes, absolutely! Im about to add a link to my implementation of this.

Sandro Hawke
@sandhawke
That's an odd answer. Ldn doesn't have any sort of push to clients.
It has as much push to clients as rss fits
As rss does
(I.e. None)
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
@csarven Im not sure it really maps.
Implementations producing Activity Streams 2.0 documents should include a @context property -- that should say MUST -- it's a bug
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Manu told me on IRC that he is only aware of AS2 doing this
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
@melvincarvalho this isn't ldn related so shouldn't really discuss here, but it's only a bug if AS2 is intended to be consumed solely as json-ld - which I know you think it should be - but it's also intended to be a syntax for plain JSON.
Actually JSON-LD doens't require a context either does it, if all the properties are URIs?
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
@rhiaro thanks for the reminder, very happy to keep on topic and talk about linked data here
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
I've run JSON-LD without context through the playground before just fine
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
yes that's true also
e.g this one?
{
  "@id": "https://example.org/profile#alice",
  "http://ontologi.es/like#liked": "https://user.example/article"
}
tho is "https://user.example/article" supposed to be a URI or a literal? I think it's a literal in that example?
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Yea, that should be fixed to include { @id .. }
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
@rhiaro just to answer your comment then i'll be quiet :) @context can also appear in plain JSON. Making it optional is a breaking change (what I called a bug) ... I assume it was done purely as syntactic sugar because I questioned it at the F2F and no one could give a reason for it.
@csarven makes sense. Tho sometimes you can have URIs as literals. e.g. in tims profile he has preferredURI as a string. I cant quite recall the reason why it had to be that way.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Ack.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
ok I think thats the only example in the spec of a URI that doesnt have @id
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Pushed commit.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
nice! is there now
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
The application/x-www-form-urlencoded format is in many ways an aberrant monstrosity, the result of many years of implementation accidents and compromises leading to a set of requirements necessary for interoperability, but in no way representing good design practices. In particular, readers are cautioned to pay close attention to the twisted details involving repeated (and in some cases nested) conversions between character encodings and byte sequences. Unfortunately the format is in widespread use due to the prevalence of HTML forms.[HTML]
+1 to LDN for not using application/x-www-form-urlencoded ? :)
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
:+1:
interesting link, thanks for sharing
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
@csarven Im breaking my implementation up into a sender (app) a receiver (modified but backwards compatible node solid server) and a consumer (robot) ... so the app is a game which will send your score to the server ... then the robot will pick it up in real time, validate it, process it, and then the app (or another consumer) who is listening on a websocket can get a real time notification and display it to the user
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Wow, that's great! That'd be a great implemention to list in the spec.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
The hardest part has been making a robust robot
I've decided to make a general purpose job processor with priority queue based on : https://github.com/Automattic/kue
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@all LDN will be proposed to taken to First Public Working Draft (from current Editor's Draft) status in the next Social Web WG telco: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-07-19
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
:+1:
great work, it's a pity the group will end so soon, or we might have been able to publish more specs
Sandro Hawke
@sandhawke
@melvincarvalho The group ending soon is just a symptom. The real problem is that there's virtually no interest in this kind of work, among business. If there were, we could extend or create a new group.