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Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Manu told me on IRC that he is only aware of AS2 doing this
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
@melvincarvalho this isn't ldn related so shouldn't really discuss here, but it's only a bug if AS2 is intended to be consumed solely as json-ld - which I know you think it should be - but it's also intended to be a syntax for plain JSON.
Actually JSON-LD doens't require a context either does it, if all the properties are URIs?
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
@rhiaro thanks for the reminder, very happy to keep on topic and talk about linked data here
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
I've run JSON-LD without context through the playground before just fine
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
yes that's true also
e.g this one?
{
  "@id": "https://example.org/profile#alice",
  "http://ontologi.es/like#liked": "https://user.example/article"
}
tho is "https://user.example/article" supposed to be a URI or a literal? I think it's a literal in that example?
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Yea, that should be fixed to include { @id .. }
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
@rhiaro just to answer your comment then i'll be quiet :) @context can also appear in plain JSON. Making it optional is a breaking change (what I called a bug) ... I assume it was done purely as syntactic sugar because I questioned it at the F2F and no one could give a reason for it.
@csarven makes sense. Tho sometimes you can have URIs as literals. e.g. in tims profile he has preferredURI as a string. I cant quite recall the reason why it had to be that way.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Ack.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
ok I think thats the only example in the spec of a URI that doesnt have @id
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Pushed commit.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
nice! is there now
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
The application/x-www-form-urlencoded format is in many ways an aberrant monstrosity, the result of many years of implementation accidents and compromises leading to a set of requirements necessary for interoperability, but in no way representing good design practices. In particular, readers are cautioned to pay close attention to the twisted details involving repeated (and in some cases nested) conversions between character encodings and byte sequences. Unfortunately the format is in widespread use due to the prevalence of HTML forms.[HTML]
+1 to LDN for not using application/x-www-form-urlencoded ? :)
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
:+1:
interesting link, thanks for sharing
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
@csarven Im breaking my implementation up into a sender (app) a receiver (modified but backwards compatible node solid server) and a consumer (robot) ... so the app is a game which will send your score to the server ... then the robot will pick it up in real time, validate it, process it, and then the app (or another consumer) who is listening on a websocket can get a real time notification and display it to the user
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Wow, that's great! That'd be a great implemention to list in the spec.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
The hardest part has been making a robust robot
I've decided to make a general purpose job processor with priority queue based on : https://github.com/Automattic/kue
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@all LDN will be proposed to taken to First Public Working Draft (from current Editor's Draft) status in the next Social Web WG telco: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-07-19
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
:+1:
great work, it's a pity the group will end so soon, or we might have been able to publish more specs
Sandro Hawke
@sandhawke
@melvincarvalho The group ending soon is just a symptom. The real problem is that there's virtually no interest in this kind of work, among business. If there were, we could extend or create a new group.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
@sandhawke yes, it's a pity, because during the XG almost all the big social firms wanted to participate, in telecons at least, with boeing dropping out of the WG that leaves IBM as the major company I noticed, and I dont know if they would want to extend
Sandro Hawke
@sandhawke
Possible reasons:
+++ 1. The industry changed, decided there was more money to be made without standards
+++ 2. The people changed, losing interest in a fad
(adding +++ to avoid markdown insanity)
+++ 3. This particular group turned out not to be where they wanted to be
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
:+1:
Sandro Hawke
@sandhawke
which would your money be on? I think it's some of each.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
A little of all of those has some truth I think. During the XG we had big names really pushing decentralization, Chris Messina, David Recordon, Jo Smarr, Brad Fitzpatrick and many others -- they were largely doing so independently and it had a lot of buzz -- over the course of time they were hired by the big companies with the hope of change from within. That hope never really emerged into much concrete as I think all had more pressing duties. The XG had 3 excellent chairs in danbri, dan applequist, and harry (in his prime) -- it was a vibrant and energetic group, I think one aspect was that the only deliverable was the final report and that tends to be be less polarizing as a work item. Also the landscape has changed alot from facebook being a small company to over a billion users. They are really far ahead of most of the work going on and pushing boundaries, so unsure of the incentives.
but i dont think decentralization is a 'fad'
I think it is balkanized
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho

Linked Data Notifications

Linked Data notifications is a spec that allows you to send a notification to a user's inbox. In this case we will send a summary of the score you got memorizing a selection of words. The inbox is found using the discovery section in the spec and an HTTP POST of the following type is sent to that inbox for further processing.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
Pull request sent
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
Nice one Melvin!
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
:)
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
I can't log in to the app though... error I don't think I've seen before "Could not connect to auth server: HTTP -1"
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
oh that's strange
i uses databox
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
yeah I can see that
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
anything in the console?