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    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    that has been our approach to it
    having an MVC structure, ORM and WebSocket already embedded is kind of cool for the initial push of a prototype or a very basic app, going forward its kind of fix-it-yourself
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    sails, definitely is not a good option :( regarding prototyping I think hapi/koa are better options. we all know that after you present the 'prototype' working to the Product Owner you sold your soul. there is no more room to start a brand new project :)
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    well that depends of your initial goals with the prototype ;)
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    I think prototyping with hapi/express/koa we are faster than sail. and without globals ;)
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    well, completely different stack
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    hapi or koa for me , are the best options. ( by now )
    are you using server side rendering or single page app ?
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    the whole middleware package that sails brings has upsides and downsides, other than that, it all goes down to how experienced you are with it and how confortable you feel with the tools it gives you
    so it's fine
    on a quick note, I'm not going back to sails though :P
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    Hapi brings the sensible defaults to web out of the box
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    have you had to scale them?
    hapi or koa i mean
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    hapi
    yeah
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    how did it fare?
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    I didn't have any trouble
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    horizontally or vertically?
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    horizontally ftw
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    direct interface with any type of db?
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    I used 2 databases. couch and postgresql
    no problem at all
    still working
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    cool cool cool
    and resilience?
    how much maintenance did you have to do or monitoring for keeping it up?
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    yeah, the infrastructure team did a really great job
    I worked for 5 months until we finish the project
    and past week I discovered that they are running the same code since past year
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    awesome
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    yeah !
    was great !
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    can you disclose the usage?
    like, heavy RPMs
    or something more casual?
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    I can't :( But I could say that we were using 8 processes in reverse proxy
    no memory leaks at all
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    cool :)
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    the wallmart team did a really great job
    they used on blackfriday first time
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    ah ah :)
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    ;)
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    :moneybag: on the server
    lol
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    lol lol
    Marcelo Lebre
    @marcelolebre
    cool though :thumbsup:
    Thiago Dantas
    @tdantas
    other cool project ( restify ). dtrace probes everywhere
    really nice to instrument the code live in production
    used only for api