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    Stuart Lang
    @slang25
    I a little sad to see that some of the candidates with very considered applications and interviews didn't stand a chance against the popularity of the winners. That said it's an amazing board of directors! I wonder if next year something can be done to level the playing field?
    Eric Sink
    @ericsink
    Although I do agree that there were a lot of good candidates that did not get elected, I'm not sure the playing field needs to be leveled. For example, given all his .NET-related service to the world, think how absurd it would be for Jon Skeet to not win. OTOH, suppose Skeet was a musician, not in software, and he got his twitter followers from fans of his music, and he became a foundation member by sending one pull request to the corefx repo to fix a typo, and then won the election because of name recognition. Now that situation would probably motivate discussion about how to fix the election. But nothing here went wrong. People won for the right kinds of reasons.
    Stuart Lang
    @slang25
    That is a great point. I'm thinking about the people who put a lot of effort to articulate their viewpoint and their ideas in what they would do and how the would approach the role, but they weren't famous (relatively speaking), did they even have a chance?
    Anyway, this whole thing has been great, it's exposed me to a tonne of new people to follow πŸ˜ƒ
    Joseph Musser
    @jnm2
    @slang25 I went through a similar thought process. Also yes, the first thing I did even before receiving my membership was follow all these great folks!
    Eric Sink
    @ericsink
    Darn, I said I would stop rambling, but... I don't want to be dismissive of what @slang25 is saying. So I'm thinking of the following question: Why did we work so hard to get such a broad pool of candidates if the only way to win was to already be well known? Like I said, I'm not sure anything here needs fixing, but I think it was a good thing having a lot of candidates with varied backgrounds. So, what if a result of this election is that next year we only get a dozen candidates, because everybody who isn't already well-known doesn't bother? That seems like not such a good thing.
    Joseph Musser
    @jnm2
    My thought was that a lot of that depends on the decisions of the current election winners. Do they run again to stay on the board next year? Etc.
    But 45 is a lot of candidates, and that might have a lot to do with it too.
    Robin Krom
    @Lakritzator
    This is a great discussion, and it covers pretty much my feelings about the election. I would love to try again next year, but with many candidates I don't think the voters will work any differently. The result will be, logically, similar. I expect even more candidates next year, this reducing the chances...
    I just noticed this is the same as @ericsink is saying.
    Joseph Musser
    @jnm2
    @ericsink So what I'm thinking is that there will still be plenty of folks next year to throw their hat in, but if there are fewer than there were this time, that might even benefit their odds.
    Eric Sink
    @ericsink
    My thoughts here return to @SeanKilleen -- <1000 twitter followers, and he won "first alternate", because he served. He is the inspiration for people-not-already-well-known to run next year. And yes, using him as the mascot for that crowd would work better if he had actually won. But still.
    Robin Krom
    @Lakritzator
    Maybe we can think of something different for next year, like shadowing or pairing.
    Pascal Berger
    @pascalberger
    First of all I think all elected board members are great and very well deserved to be voted. But IMHO the board is not really diverse. People being well known are long-time contributors, well connected and already have quite a bit of influence in the .NET community. If one year 6 well known people are running, they probably all will be elected. Which in no ways is the fault of the candidates, but more given by the system. For people new to .NET it's nearly impossible to ever get voted in, even though they are also an important part of the .NET community and could give different view-points to a board. My hope was that more people representing different groups, even minority ones, inside the .NET community would have been voted in, to have the board as best as possible represent all aspects of the .NET community. But it was also the first board election and we have plenty of time to think where we want to go in the future :)
    Robin Krom
    @Lakritzator
    Well said.
    Calvin A. Allen
    @CalvinAllen
    Agreed. Ill out myself here, too, by saying that I actually did not vote for ANY of the winners. Not upset about the selection, by any means, but I felt it going in.
    Having said that, I'm excited about the future, and ready to contribute however I can :)
    Sean Killeen
    @SeanKilleen

    @ericsink hah! I never thought I'd be happy to be a mascot :laughing: but that's an honor and I hope to inspire many others! I appreciate that the service came through enough to be recognized, and I'll be looking for ways to increase the visibility of that service in the community.

    @pascalberger / @Lakritzator To me, as someone not well known who was up against a lot of folks who are widely known, I really don't feel bad about it at all or feel like we need a different playing field. I think the reason those people are known is genuine, and I think the community clearly respects the type of contributions that the new members of the board have made so far. Name recognition is an advantage in almost any election. I was prepared for that & OK with it.

    What I hear in these concerns is something a little different -- a concern that different kinds of contributions weren't as recognized, or were outweighed by the name recognition. To which I say -- we do not have to be in charge to lead. We have the ability to inform the Board, to provide input to the Board, to start our own initiatives. We have the ability to try to figure out how to reach more of the community, to form other groups, to help them know us and what we stand for. And given the large pool of candidates and the receptiveness of the board members, I think a lot of that may be able to naturally happen in the coming months already.

    The people who ran for board seats this year are "helpers" in the best sense, one and all. When you put a bunch of helpers together, good things are going to happen. We don't have to be the ones powering the ship to make a big impact in this community. I encourage this group to stay in touch, to support the board in its endeavors, and to continue any of our own endeavors that we feel are valuable or that need to be more visible.

    I think if we reach more people, the initiatives and those behind them will become known, and hey, then you've got name recognition :)
    Joseph Musser
    @jnm2
    I heartily agree!
    Reflection is a good thing, but let's make sure that we don't send the wrong message to the board. I like these folks and I'm certain they will be good for the foundation in these positions.
    Sean Killeen
    @SeanKilleen
    One other point that comes to mind about name recognition as well -- as the board starts off, getting people to know about the Foundation, its mission, how they can get involved, and why, is going to be very important. So the fact that those elected to the board have very large followings is I think going to be very beneficial to the Foundation especially at first. The board now naturally has a large platform to promote initiatives / awareness and increase the membership numbers. Lots of things to be excited for.
    Gary Ewan Park
    @gep13
    @SeanKilleen that is a really good point!
    Joseph Guadagno
    @jguadagno
    While I did not win, and 30 or so others :), I did get to meet quite a few people, some in person, some virtually, that I might have not met otherwise. I am happy for that. I hope that just because "you" did not win a spot on the board does not mean you stop but continue on the pursuit tohelp out the Board, @jongalloway , or .NET in general.
    Robin Krom
    @Lakritzator

    I had fun being a candidate for the election, never expected to have a good chance in the first place, learned something new and got to know a few people better.

    The board turned out very good, I've voted for most of them. Almost 50% women is something I hoped for, but didn't expect, so πŸŽ‰

    There is just this small nagging feeling, which I tried to describe before, that the election was a bit of a of popularity contest. Due to the sheer amount of information our voters had to go through this was expected. But I agree with the point that this popularity that our board members have is deserved and in the right area.

    My first question to them would be how they will represent minorities and promote inclusion. Just to be clear, I wouldn't know the answer either but I find this important as I only see positive effects at my work. I know one person on the board, where I have high hopes on.

    Now that we are "out" I hope we can still do something for the foundation and board, so let's see their first actions.

    Iris Classon
    @IrisClasson
    Btw, in the future, could we have one or several reserved seats for a student(s)? I’d love to have some fresh blood (not literally even though I am from Transylvania) on the board as I can remember how important that sort of representation played a big part for me when I was a student. Also, I’ve always learned a lot from students- sometimes more than well established devs haha.
    Robin Krom
    @Lakritzator
    One of the candidates, Lea Wegner is student.
    Calvin A. Allen
    @CalvinAllen
    I would be against reserving seats, that's not really how an "election" for a board should work. Either the students run, and have a campaign and get elected, or someone else runs with a campaign that acknowledges students as a focus.
    Mattias Karlsson
    @devlead
    I'm more thinking if the foundations grows and becomes as successful as we want, then we should have niche advisor groups/"bpards" that assists the board with input. Could be i.e. Students, WIT, Seniors, OSS Maintainers etc.
    Calvin A. Allen
    @CalvinAllen
    +1 for Advisory Groups
    Gary Ewan Park
    @gep13
    Yip, agreed, I think that makes a lot of sense
    Eric Sink
    @ericsink
    There is precedent in educational organizations for having a designed board slot for a student. Sometimes the position is non-voting. I would have no objection to this concept. (But I'm not sure the election is the way to fill that slot. If we want a board slot filled by a student, voting or not, it would make more sense to me to have that person appointed by the director or by vote of the other board members.) All that said, the foundation is not a school, so the comparison is a bit of a stretch. And there are other ways of getting more interaction with students.
    Spencer Schneidenbach πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ
    @schneidenbach_twitter
    +1 for advisory groups
    Gurucharan Subramani
    @GuruCharan94
    Reminder: VS 2019 launch live streaming now.
    Iris Classon
    @IrisClasson
    Advisory groups sounds great πŸ‘πŸΌ
    Jessica White 🦎
    @JessPWhite_twitter
    Its been really interesting reading through responses to the election on here. Congratulations to the new board members, you'll do stunningly I'm sure.
    Ive been a bit quite as there are a lot of voices on this channel and I wanted to see peoples viewpoints and be fully informed before adding my own. Fully agree with the idea of advisory groups, especially if the .NET Foundation is going to have further focus beyond OSS.
    Although I agree with Iris about having a wider variety of experiences included in the future, I don't think it should just be students. Early stage technologists have different experiences from both students and well-seasoned technologists. I think they'd need representation too at some future point. That's my two cents. Congrats again. I'm excited for the future.
    Jon Galloway
    @jongalloway
    Hey folks, checking in. Got hit by combo of post-no-sleep-sickness + pile of e-mail and admin deferred until after election + VS Launch and haven't had time to be on here. I'm doing paperwork to get the new board official by early next week (Monday April 8 if possible) and we'll be able to crank up on some of these ideas. Love the idea of Advisory Groups for different areas, would love to be able to scale with groups like these representing several different interests, geographic areas, etc.
    Small change to the idea, but I like the term Action Group instead of Advisory Group - ideas are great, but empowered community leaders to enact the ideas is even better.
    Robin Krom
    @Lakritzator
    πŸ‘
    Iris Classon
    @IrisClasson
    Do we use this channel/room for discussions @jongalloway ? I wanted to share some thoughts in regards to the meeting earlier
    Gary Ewan Park
    @gep13
    @IrisClasson there was a meeting earlier? Was it recorded? Is there anything that can be shared?
    Iris Classon
    @IrisClasson
    @gep13 I’m not sure what will be published, @jongalloway would be the one to ask, but at the moment we are just getting onboarded and organized :smile:
    Gary Ewan Park
    @gep13
    Yip, understood. I guess I am just being "nosey" and curious about what is being discussed, and the plans going forward :smile:
    Iris Classon
    @IrisClasson
    @gep13 I’m sure we’ll be quite open about what is happening- but good question nonetheless! I’ll make sure to ask about transparency and what will be made available and when.
    Gary Ewan Park
    @gep13
    @IrisClasson thank you, appreciate it!
    Robin Krom
    @Lakritzator
    πŸ‘
    Pratik Khandelwal
    @prkhandelwal
    Hey @jongalloway , how about we set up something like Microsoft Teams for all DNF Members?
    Dave Glick
    @daveaglick
    +1 to Action Group, I love that term - funny how a small change in language can have a big mental impact
    Stuart Lang
    @slang25
    Although I didn't run for the election, I would love to be involy
    • typo. ... involved in an action group discussed here