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Andy Holland
@AMHOL
I don't mind OO, but I think Lotus is too Rails-like
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
I do mind OO when it’s full of mutable state
in general, I don’t mind dealing with objects that much
but your comment re being too railsy is true
it’s very close conceptually to rails, which was Luca’s goal anyway, to create better rails
he is very open to collaborating on shared tools so that’s great
his philosophy is really great and inline with mine so I’m sure something good can come out of that ;)
did I just say that my philosophy is great in a convoluted, implicit way? I guess I did I did ;)
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
haha
Yeah, I think he's achieved that (a better rails)
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
now I just need to make lotus use ROM
I started experimenting with rom-repository
it’s pretty clear for me how I want it to work (finally)
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
I saw that, it looks cool
The only thing I think people won't like is the struct thing
But I see why that is necessary
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
being able to generate mappers and return simple structs feels good and you can always define your own entities explicitly for type-safety and clarity reasons
people won’t like them until they try them, I think
ROM is data-centric so that’s how it manifests itself
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
Yeah, it's just the mindset of most people means that they won't try it until they like it
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
that’s a problem but I stopped being worried about that, there’s not much we can do about that except trying to educate
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
Yep :+1:
No point in letting it damage your code I guess
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
with limited time and resources it’s hard so unless ROM gets funded and used more widely we will never change that mindset, but it’s fine too
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
I wanna get to work on that validation library
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
we have a call with Luca and Nick about validations, wanna join
?
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
Skype?
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
you’ll have a great chance to hear italian-, german- and polish-english in just one call :joy:
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
haha
I can't, I'm at work
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
yeah Luca just sent an invite, there’s another guy from the US but the call is on Friday
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
:(
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
ah right
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
Ahh, what time?
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
10am :P
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
lol, yep, will be at work
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
that work thing you do man, gotta stop
;)
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
haha
That would be nice
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
just stop, be a free man, work 12hrs/day, like me, LOL
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
I keep playing Lotto
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
it’s called Lotto in UK too? :D
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
haha yeah, a FREE man?
Yeah
Lotto and Lotto Euro Millions
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
sweet, didn’t know that
Andy Holland
@AMHOL
I need a win on the Euro
Piotr Solnica
@solnic
I thought Lotto is a polish brand