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    Werner Keil
    @keilw
    @aalmiray Yes, UoM and Money are SE. As your own Application JSR (if it finishes?) decided against using the Config Spec, it really puts it more into a Cloud/Enterprise platform than desktop or SE.
    I would not mind splitting the JSR, especially the CDI extensions fit better into either Jakarta EE or MicroProfile.
    Werner Keil
    @keilw
    @Daniel-Dos, @struberg That JavaConfig project seems inactive, but e.g. http://www.cfg4j.org/ seems more recent (it had a release about 6 months ago, something this JSR still needs to accomplish) and I believe Apache Commons Config 2 also has some momentum. Netflix did a good job wrapping it with Archaius, but that claims to be in Maintenance mode now, so no longer actively developed.
    Werner Keil
    @keilw
    I'm not sure, if the JESP 1.1 already reflects it, but I heard in the Spec Committee, that there already are or will be restrictions to use the javax.* namespace, thus, the Jakarta EE or MicroProfile related part of this JSR (or the entire JSR) should be aware, that finalizing anything under javax.config means a 2.0 or 1.1+ version will likely be forced to use a different namespace like org.eclipse.microprofile.config (which it does already) or Jakarta.config.
    Which is why I'm in favor of either moving all of it to Jakarta EE or as @aalmiray hinted, potentially split it into an "SE" part and "EE" part on top. Kind of like CDI 2 but with a slightly stricter separation.
    Mark Struberg
    @struberg
    Hi @keilw no we do not need to move anything. Also other specs can still used javax.* as package names. And what do you mean with namespace? This is not C++.
    @Emily-Jiang @tomas-langer anyone up today?
    I know emily is on vacation this week
    And I'm in the train to Linz right now
    So might only have unstable connection
    Werner Keil
    @keilw
    Was there a call today.
    @struberg I can only echo or quote what's in the minutes of the Spec Committee call. The discussion is ongoing, but it seems quite possible all spec like JMS, Servlet or CDI must convert even existing packages to "Jakarta.*" from Jakarta EE 9 onwards.
    Hence if this JSR was finished, it could be forced to do the same if it ever should become part of a future Jakarta EE platform.
    The final word has not been spoken about existing packages, but it is possible all must change. "namespace" is a more general term, essentially there are Java package names and the Maven "coordinates" especially the groupId.
    As I am working remote (only till end of April) I could join a call, if there are enough people to join on Gründonnerstag next week?
    Emily Jiang
    @Emily-Jiang
    Won’t be able to join as I am on vacation this week and next week
    Mark Struberg
    @struberg
    hi folks, I'm also on vacation
    Werner Keil
    @keilw
    So no call today?
    Would be nice if it works next week.
    There are many aspects of the 'namespace' situation we discussed in the Spec Committee.
    Werner Keil
    @keilw
    @struberg Congrats on the Java Champion naming. Unlike the other two who work at Red Hat or IBM you're an Individual, but especially in the Config EG or other projects there are many who already are Java Champions who must have suggested you.
    Werner Keil
    @keilw
    Hopefully next week there's a call again with a chance to discuss what makes most sense now that the javax usage is restricted, move to Jakarta, split the JSR or something else?
    Mark Struberg
    @struberg
    @Emily-Jiang @tomas-langer can we move the meeting tomorrow? I have an overlapping date :(
    Emily Jiang
    @Emily-Jiang
    which slot do you want to move to
    Mark Struberg
    @struberg
    I have a date from 15:00 to 18:00 CEST tomorrow
    we can move to the afternoon or hold it in the morning?
    We can also prepare tonight to have a quick chat to get a feel where we stand and what next steps are necessary
    Emily Jiang
    @Emily-Jiang
    sure
    let me talk tonight. possible 9:00pm UK time
    ?
    Mark Struberg
    @struberg
    that is 10 CEST right?
    I'll set an alarm for it
    Emily Jiang
    @Emily-Jiang
    think so
    ok
    Mark Struberg
    @struberg
    cool, cu l8r
    Emily Jiang
    @Emily-Jiang
    cu. thx
    Sebastian Daschner
    @sdaschner
    I might be able to join. Greetings from Mexico! :)
    Mark Struberg
    @struberg
    wohuu great, and greetings back
    Emily Jiang
    @Emily-Jiang
    I am running a bit late to put my son to bed. Let's start in 30mins. ok?
    Mark Struberg
    @struberg
    be right there yup in 15 mins is fine
    Emily Jiang
    @Emily-Jiang
    ok. nearly ready. talk to you in a few minutes
    Mark Struberg
    @struberg
    sure no hurry
    Emily Jiang
    @Emily-Jiang
    @sdaschner we are on
    Sebastian Daschner
    @sdaschner
    Can you paste the link again? I'm on mobile r/n
    Mark Struberg
    @struberg
    hi @sdaschner that should work
    Emily Jiang
    @Emily-Jiang
    eclipse/ConfigJSR#8 @sdaschner
    Emily Jiang
    @Emily-Jiang
    @/all no meeting today. Reconvene next week same time
    Mark Struberg
    @struberg
    @Emily-Jiang @tomas-langer @sdaschner in 15 minutes is ConfigJSR meeting!
    and whoever else wants to join