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Brian Graham
@BrianWGraham1_twitter
hey again @NicolasCARPi thank you for the note. I've had a struggle with the IT company that handles any installations on any computer. So you're saying that we could install on one computer to serve as a sort of server and then install the program for people including myself and then the information is backed up on that specific computer? I would classify myself as not great at understanding the ins and outs of installs like this that could go on a server. Thank you again and apologies if these questions are not the brightest.
Nicolas CARPi
@NicolasCARPi
hello Brian, there are no dumb questions, only dumb answers :)
To seek truth requires one to ask the right questions. Those void of truth never ask about anything because their ego and arrogance prevent them from doing so.
Suzy Kassem, Rise Up and Salute the Sun: The Writings of Suzy Kassem
so what happens is that elabftw is installed on a server (which is just a computer that is always on and connected to intranet), and from the web interface, one can create several teams
and users can just go and register an account in these teams and start logging experiments
so there is nothing to install on the client side (the users in the lab)
it's just like any other website
and that way everything is centralized at the IT level and they can make backups and such
it's much better than everyone trying to install it in their own corner :)
topoldo
@topoldo
@NicolasCARPi : I don't understand the meaning of "Steps" Input box which is present in the Experiment EDIT mode. If I don't miss something, nothing is written about on the eLabFTW (online) Manual. Beside if one writes something in this Input box and give the <Enter> command then the Input box changes and a Trash Icon and a checkbox appear on its left. If I'm correct, the significance of Trash is clear, while the checkbox says how long the input was filled in.
Then, if you save the experiment and go back to the experiment VIEW mode then a new line with the content of "steps" area appears below the title of the experiment but I don't understand what does it mean. TIA
PS: The more I study in deep the program, the better I can translate correctly it (of course). So, if you plan any new (minor) release, please re-harvest the translation of eLabFTW into Italian because I significantly improved it since 4.0.8 was released. TIA
Nicolas CARPi
@NicolasCARPi
@topoldo does that looks better: https://doc.elabftw.net/user-guide.html#steps ?
btw I just added two terms that you can translate now
topoldo
@topoldo
@NicolasCARPi : Yeah, now it is clear! Abot the translation: already done :-)
I have one more question I have already submitted in my last issue (because it is partially an issue) which you did nott answer.
The problem is this. I saw that timetable of the scheduler is between 6:00 and midnight.
But some devices can (or must!) be booked/used overnight or continuously for 24hrs or more.
If I did not miss something, at the moment it seems impossible to manage these conditions.
Is it planned to have these conditions taken into account in the future or, at least, extend the scheduling time from 0:00 to 23:59 so that one can book a device for example for the day X from 18:00 to 24:00 and the next day from 0:00 to 10:00 AM? TIA. Regards
Topoldo
Nicolas CARPi
@NicolasCARPi
Ah yeah you're right, I forgot to address this. So this limitation exists so that you don't start showing the 0:00-8:00 times in the scheduler. That would force people to always scroll down to more normal times. As for overnight booking, I think we can just assume that something booked until midnight and also starting from 6am is also booked from midnight to 6am.
topoldo
@topoldo
@NicolasCARPi: But to you plan for the future (better: is it possible with the scheduler used) to extend to 24h/day the scheduling for instruments and/or stuffs like those that need this kind of scheduling?
Nicolas CARPi
@NicolasCARPi
I'm not sure if that would be really necessary. As I said, if it's book from last slot to the first slot, it's booked all night. Unless you need different bookings during the night, I don't think I'll change this.
topoldo
@topoldo
Ok. At the moment I don't have this need. I'll see in the future. Thanks
topoldo
@topoldo
Hi Nico! It's me again!
As I try to test eLabFTW extensively, I came across something that I don't if it is the result of something wrong I made by playing with the program or if it is a bug. My problem is the following: as a standard user I open the "Search" window of the main menu. Inside it I set a tag to search experiments containing it. I click on the button and started the search. ans some experiments marked with that tag were i
topoldo
@topoldo
Oops..! I'm going on...
Based on the query, some results were reported and this is OK.
Now I would like to "reset" the "Search" page, to create a different query. I want to remove the tag I inserted for the previous search and start a new search. Unfortunately I don't find any way to "reset search page" like a button or something else, nor I was able to remove anyhow the tag I input. I tried to reload the page but I was unsuccessful... My browser is Firefox 75.0. Now I'm going to try also with Chrome... If it is not a problem of browser, I have no idea on how to to reset the Search page to the default conditions... Regards, Topoldo
topoldo
@topoldo
No way. Also with Chrome I'm not able to clean the search page...
Nicolas CARPi
@NicolasCARPi
@topoldo click the Search in the main menu
reloading the page doesn't work because the search parameters are in the url
but a button to clear the search sounds like a good idea :)
topoldo
@topoldo
No way, th URL simply report:
https://147.162.3.19/search.php
without any parameters I was searching for following the "main" URL.
I simply cannot get rid of the string I have input into "tag box"!
BTW, would you like me to open an issue/enhancement to ask for a button in order to reset parameters and string one can have inserted inserted into the search page?
I take this occasion to ask for 2 other things:
  1. As you probably were informed by POeditor, I have submitted two comments about translation. One is specific for the o"main" language (English). In fact the string: "Insert in text at cursor position" should be: "Insert in the image at cursor position" because, at my knowledge, this string concerns only the upload of an image as attachment, not a text.
    The second string is specific for Italian language (and maybe other languages) because the string "Import" appears only once in the list, but it is used at least in 2 different places. In one case it is the imperative mode of the verb "To import"; in the other case it is a noun. In English there is no difference, the string is always "Import". On the contrary in Italian the noun is "Importazione", while the imperative mode of the verb is "Importa". Maybe this distinction is also present in other languages other then Italian...
Nicolas CARPi
@NicolasCARPi
I think it's your browser caching the input
do a refresh without cache with Ctrl-shift-r
what browser are you using? I can't reproduce this behavior
Yeah I saw your comment, but I don't want to change the string now as that would invalidate all the other translations
as for import, it's interesting, but I'm not sure how that can be addressed
I'll look into changing the string then
and yes please open github issues otherwise I might forget
topoldo
@topoldo
CTRL+SHIFT+R doesn't do the job. I'm using FF for Windows 75.0 but it is the same if I access the URL I reported above from Chrome
Nicolas CARPi
@NicolasCARPi
that's weird, there is no reason for the tag to be selected if there are no parameters in the URL!
topoldo
@topoldo
I see..
topoldo
@topoldo

I was writing the number 2 and I was asked to do other things...

The second thing is about other strings which I found which must/should be translated. Most of them concern the insertion of an image into the body of an experiment. In this case in fact you can do many things (give a caption, set a name etc...). For all those stuffs there is no translation. Are they part of the of the TinyMCE?
For what Import is concerned, I think you can create 2 variables in the program which use the same string in Enghish, ie Import. In the PO editor you can put the strin Import twice each of them with a comment in which you report respectively that: "This is a noun" and, in the other case :"This is the imperative mode of the verb To import".

topoldo
@topoldo
I get rid of the search problem and I susppect it could be a bug.
Unfortunately I can't reproduce all the sequence of things I made because I'm just testing the program so whenever I see something I did not have experimente dyet I try.... So I'm actig just like a fool to see if the program is fool proof :-)
Anyway I try to re-think to what I did. I apply the tag "vanilla" to 2 different experiments. Then I apply the same tag "vanilla" to an item of database. I'm not really sure if it is an Item or a Type of item because I have not explored yet the database part of the program and what I have in the database was the result of a test on how to import data into DB via CSV. I should have tested the database section today, but I'm not sure I'll be able because of time. Anyway db should be the last thing I have to do to complete my eLabFTW exploration.
Going back to the problem: as soon as I put this tag to mark an item (or type of item - could be better to call them categories???) I see it immediately appears into Search page - in the tag area. There you cannot select and/or get rid of it.
I had to go to database section, delete the tag and this way it disappears also from search page.
Anyway I want to explore better this problem as soon as I have an higher competence and a better comprehension of database section. Regards.
Nicolas CARPi
@NicolasCARPi
yeah category is a better name than items types
topoldo
@topoldo
@NicolasCARPi : Hi again!
Before submitting this as a bug, I'd like to understand if it's me that I do not understand how tag(s) work(s) in the database.
Please note that I'm working with eLabFTW 3.4.9 (but as I reported above, I noticed this on 3.4.8 - no idea in previous versions).
I tried to understand better what I have reported before, ie the impossibility to remove tags from Search page.
I found that this happens when the tags are applied to database items and this happens both if I'm working as Sysadmin or Standard user (belonging to the same team of the Sysadmin). The database was imported via a CSV file of test when the eLabFTW was at 3.3.12 version.
Inside the database, at present, I have only one category of objects (items) called "Microscopes" and there are 4 different brands (ie items) of microscopes (Nikon, Zeiss...), just for testing.
If I select one of these items (suppose item: "Zeiss") and set it into edit mode, I can apply to it one or more tags. Suppose that I assign to it the tag "vanilla" and then save this item with this tag.
Now, if I go to the Seach page, I see that this page has the field of search "With tag" which is prefilled with the tag "vanilla" whichever is the reason I want to search for something.
Suppose now that I want to edit another database item, which is part of Microscope category too. Suppose I assign the tag "foo" to it.
At this point I move again to the Search page. Now I have the field "With tag" which is prefilled both with "vanilla" and "foo" tag s
Please note that the most important field, ie "Search in" is in the default conditions, ie it is prefilled with the string "experiments".
Even in these condition and even if I try to empty the Search form with the button you provide in 3.4.9 I cannot get rid of the tags which prefill the "With tag" field. Neither I can remove one or both of them by highlight them and then using the keyboard "Del" button.
The only possibility to clean the "With tag" field is edit the item(s) of database and remove the tag(s) which I provided them with (in mmy case vanilla and foo). This way the Search page go back to "default" conditions. Where am I wrong? Or is this a bug? Or, as I'm acting "like a fool", this section of the program is not "fool-proof"?
Regards, Topoldo
topoldo
@topoldo
Hi Nico!
At the end I think I have understood the "philosophy" of tags in the search page. I mean, I thought the search page in its default conditions had to be empty and who wants to search for something must fill in different input boxes with whatever (s)he thinks could be useful for finding what (s)he's searching for. So - my mistake! - I thought that also the "With tag" filed should be empty at start. On the contray, by ispecting your "demo" site, I noticed that the "With tag" field of the Search page is prefilled with the list of all the tags used by the team.
They are all unselected at start of the search ad only that/those which is/are selected by clicking it/them with the mouse and taking pressed the SHIFT key if more than one must be selected become part of the constraint of the query.Maybe a couple of lines in the manual explaining this behaviour which is different from what you need to do using other input boxes of the Search page could be useful, IMHO
Regards,
Topoldo
darlowiak
@darlowiak
Hi @NicolasCARPi I type here because i need help. I can't run elabFTW in my QNAP. You say "clone elabftw/elabimg and built it." but i dont understund this, what i must do.
topoldo
@topoldo
@NicolasCARPi : I prepared a presentation of eLabFTW for a team of Biomedical Researchers of the University of Padova, Italy, where I work. On next week(s) some people of this team will start to test eLabFTW using a dedicated server I prepared. If you are interested to have this presentation in order to see if it can be another tool for the documentation of eLabFTW, please tell me where/how can I submit it to you. I suppose that email is the simplest way. It is 12 pages long , each containing 4 slides and weights about 300kB. Beside, I took 3 snapshots from my spreadsheet program to explain them how the CSV file(s) for importing items into the database must be formatted. I can send them, too. Last, but not least, I prepared a matrix of comparison of 4 different eELNs (eLabFTW, Labfolder, SciNote, RSpace) and I can send also this file. Regards, Topoldo
Nicolas CARPi
@NicolasCARPi
@topoldo yes please send it to me by email :)
@darlowiak you're the one with ARM cpu arch, right?
cd elabimg
docker build -t elabftw/elabimg .
Leopoldo Saggin
@topoldo_gitlab
@NicolasCARPi : I don't have your email address :-(
Nicolas CARPi
@NicolasCARPi
@topoldo_gitlab contact@deltablot.email
SACB52
@SACB52
I am trying to download eLabFTW on Windows. Whenever I go to create a Sysadmin account, it says that the webpage is not certified. I cannot figure out how to fix this issue.