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    David DeSimone
    @DavidDeSimone
    that makes sense to me
    Ivan Yonchovski
    @yyoncho
    I think if we go back to the getting started page idea
    If we have a link - hey, click this and you will get that.
    will work much better with similar ootb experience.
    brotzeit
    @brotzeit
    can't we add it as git submodule ?
    I mean it's not important to me
    Ivan Yonchovski
    @yyoncho
    Yes, but the issue is that we won't release emacs-ng every week, right?
    brotzeit
    @brotzeit
    but by theory
    I don't see a reason why we shouldn't
    Ivan Yonchovski
    @yyoncho
    If we can release every week - then fine.
    Even now, in lsp-mode I constantly have to ask users to update from melpa-stable version because for issues that are fixed in master
    brotzeit
    @brotzeit
    a release is done quickly right ?
    Ivan Yonchovski
    @yyoncho
    The other issue is that the server versions are not pinned
    David DeSimone
    @DavidDeSimone
    what if instead of bundling it, we include MELPA and have an 'auto-update' feature?
    Ivan Yonchovski
    @yyoncho
    That is the same as having auto suggest to install it
    If we are going to update it all the time, better not have it initially.(IMHO)
    What we can do, is to have file suggestions like spacemacs
    You know, in spacemacs if you open a JS file, for the first time you are asked - hey do you want to install the JS support?
    David DeSimone
    @DavidDeSimone
    yeah, I'm leaning towards not including it in the client, but having good MELPA support with good recommendations
    Ivan Yonchovski
    @yyoncho
    David DeSimone
    @DavidDeSimone
    even if we have fast weekly/monthly release cycles imho
    Ivan Yonchovski
    @yyoncho
    We may steal this - and have - If you are programmer - you might wanna install this. If you want org mode integration - check this. If you are coming from vim - click this.
    David DeSimone
    @DavidDeSimone
    yeah I personally like this flow you are describing
    brotzeit
    @brotzeit
    but this shouldn't be too annoying
    Ivan Yonchovski
    @yyoncho
    Not queries. I mean links like in https://github.com/rougier/elegant-emacs
    David DeSimone
    @DavidDeSimone
    yeah, I'm picturing they open emacs-ng, and are welcomed by a screen like the above but with links for common configurations or useful tools. Signal boost packages and configurations that people may not know about if they are fresh to emacs.
    brotzeit
    @brotzeit
    I just saw somebody asking questions in the remacs room...maybe it would be good to have a help room or something similar
    but this can't be done in gitter like in discord right
    Ivan Yonchovski
    @yyoncho
    I think that there can be multiple rooms
    (Not sure how)
    David DeSimone
    @DavidDeSimone
    yeah I don't know gitter very well beyond using it for chatting
    but I'm all for more rooms if possible
    Ivan Yonchovski
    @yyoncho
    About the start page - emacs start page is like that for political reasons. Then just cannot link doom/spacemacs/magit, etc.
    The webrender stuff generally can run in a browser right? I think that having decoupled UI is very interesting feature(like Neovim)
    brotzeit
    @brotzeit
    although I have no clue this doesn't sound trivial to me
    David DeSimone
    @DavidDeSimone
    the different start page, or the decoupled UIs?
    brotzeit
    @brotzeit
    the latter
    :D
    different start page sounds like good-first-issue
    David DeSimone
    @DavidDeSimone
    yeah I don't know enough to comment on the decoupled UI either. I agree it sounds hard.
    but I think the new start page can be something we start making moves on in the very near future.
    brotzeit
    @brotzeit
    sure why not
    first impression is important
    the next steps would be general appearance and basic configuration
    Murilo Pereira
    @mpereira
    decoupled UI would certainly be a big effort, just like it was for Neovim. they nailed it though :)
    someone shared my post on reddit by the way, if you'd like to check out the discussion
    brotzeit
    @brotzeit
    I'm no expert, but I think it will be tougher to achieve this for emacs than for vim
    some time ago I looked at their libvterm code because I was working on implementing it for remacs, and it seemed to me that the vim code doesn't seem to be as complex as the emacs codebase
    Murilo Pereira
    @mpereira
    aye