emacs-ng/community

Harry Fei

@harryfei

https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/p0ex2h/will_emacsng_ever_become_mainstream/

brotzeit

@brotzeit

I really don't understand the mindset of some people...are they afraid to try new things ?

Harry Fei

@harryfei

We need a killer feature

brotzeit

@brotzeit

I think enhanced lsp-mode support would be good enough for now...I will try if I can get this working

it actually does already "work" but I get broken pipe errors for some lsp features...

Harry Fei

@harryfei

I'm looking forward to it :)

David DeSimone

@DavidDeSimone

just saw the reddit thread

got back from a trip

I agree with Harry to break into greater mindshare we will need an additional killer feature. That isn't to short change the fantastic work the team has done. I'm super proud of what we have built

I do get a little annoyed when people dismiss JS or WebRender - those were both hard technical problems that required a lot of work

Harry Fei

@harryfei

The end user should get benefits when using emacs-ng instead of emacs

Harry Fei

@harryfei

Enhancement of existing elisp app or new functionalities(apis).

Many people want us to improve those things in GNU emacs. But I don't want to. Because the C language is not a productive programming language and the C code of GNU emacs is very dirty.

Harry Fei

@harryfei

https://github.com/nbigaouette/onnxruntime-rs

Harry Fei

@harryfei

I think we can embed this into emacs-ng. Open the way to use machine learning model to enhance our programming experience.

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Harry Fei

@harryfei

https://lwn.net/Articles/819452/

Reggie

@reggiemarr:bridge.monster

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I think what makes emacs so great in general is all the things it supports outside of what is covered by most "IDE"s. AKA being able to view pdfs, write emails, update jira, and now send messages on matrix. But I do notice that in particular viewing pdf's and getting message updates can start to feel "heavy". I haven't done a good enough debugging job myself to bring this forward as an actual issue however it strikes me that in theory emacs-ng should be better equipped to support these things than traditional emacs (due to better support for async operators) imho this is one area where it would really shine as a favorable alternative.

But that's just two cents from a frequent lurker, and as of yet, non-contributor so take that for what its worth

Reggie

@reggiemarr:bridge.monster

[m]

also, I frequently run into this problem when building

find native-lisp -type d -exec /usr/bin/mkdir -p "/usr/local/lib/emacs/28.0.50/{}" \; ; \
find native-lisp -type f -exec /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 "{}" "/usr/local/lib/emacs/28.0.50/{}" \;
find: ‘native-lisp’: No such file or directory
find: ‘native-lisp’: No such file or directory
make: *** [Makefile:803: install-eln] Error 1

In the past I've been able to get past it with make -C lisp all but not lately. Any idea what could be going wrong?

Reggie

@reggiemarr:bridge.monster

[m]

nvm I'm an idiot. I used ./confgure --with-native-compilation instead of ./configure --with-native-comp

Harry Fei

@harryfei

https://github.com/harryfei/emacs-ng/blob/fc6fe19e74feb86342cbe23bdd1cc591243f5b49/rust_src/crates/webrender/src/event_loop.rs#L129-L194

I used tokio to replace emacs' select!

brotzeit

@brotzeit

nice

Harry Fei

@harryfei

emacs-ng/emacs-ng#373 help to test this PR

Harry Fei

@harryfei

emacs-ng/emacs-ng#373 anyone review this?

David DeSimone

@DavidDeSimone

I was looking it over last night, submitted my review

Harry Fei

@harryfei

Thanks, David

gtrunsec

@gtrunsec:matrix.org

[m]

@brotzeit: request to add one of the repo secret for nix binary cachix pushing. plz check your email.

brotzeit

@brotzeit

what do you think about temporarily add a fork of lsp-mode to emacs-ng(like use-package and straight) and provide an optional feature "lsp-mode"(or something else) so users can give it try(it works, kind of)

requests like hover and documentHighlight are working, but for other requests I get different errors like Input/output error or broken pipe(seems to differ with different servers)

I think it doesn't make much sense to merge it into lsp-mode if it's only half functional and crashes every 10 minutes...when we maintain a fork we could improve the lsp-mode integration while fixing issues in emacs-ng, would make things easier

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#334

Reggie

@reggiemarr:bridge.monster

[m]

What languages have you tested this on?

brotzeit

@brotzeit

I've tested it with clangd and rust-alanyzer

...I think now that we have use-package working, it should be easy to setup lsp-mode in emacs-ng.el

brotzeit

@brotzeit

I mean straight

Reggie

@reggiemarr:bridge.monster

[m]

So this might be a noob question but I don't know if it fully get the implications of having straight.el setup

brotzeit

@brotzeit

we can install packages + its dependencies

means we can add features in emacs-ng and then optionally install elisp packages

but I think this should only be done in special situations, like lsp enhancement

Reggie

@reggiemarr:bridge.monster

[m]

Hmm yeah I mean lsp is a pretty core component of my dev env so makes sense to me

brotzeit

@brotzeit

@reggiemarr:bridge.monster we actually decided to not include lsp-mode in emacs-ng #98

but we are trying to leverage lsp-mode by using emacs-ng async functionality

so while these changes aren't merged into lsp-mode, it seems to make sense to include our modified lsp-mode, at least optional

and this way it's also easier for me to get some help, it's complex stuff =)

Harry Fei

@harryfei

Don't bundle too many packages.

For lsp support, there are two projects: elgot vs lsp-mode

People will ask: why lsp-mode, why not elgot?

brotzeit

@brotzeit

I'm trying to find a way that avoids bundling

and just install it by using straight

when we fixed the issues with our lsp facilities we can provide interfaces that can also be used by eglot

brotzeit

@brotzeit

ok I have to admit we would have to maintain a fork of lsp-mode, at least for some time

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