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Jan Poctavek
@YanChii
you need to decide on your own
Jan Poctavek
@YanChii
regarding DC itself, it's doing it's job. You can try it and see if the features suit your needs. If you change your mind later, you can still dd your VMs to different platform.
usama-nrk
@usama-nrk
fair enough. I will give it a try. Hopefully all will be well.
May I ask what do you suggest for tiered storage, nvme, ssd and rust
Jan Poctavek
@YanChii
not sure I get your question. Are you trying to combine multiple device types into one storage pool? Is it in connection with DC?
With ZFS, you can add SSDs as write cache (ZIL) and read cache (L2ARC) to speed up the pool consisting of rotational disks.
Or you can create multiple pools that have different speeds (fast pool, slow pool, slow pool accelerated by ZIL and L2ARC, etc)
I don't get the rust part.
Paolo Marcheschi
@marcheschi
I think that with "rust" He means old rotating Hard disks..
wilbury
@wilbury:matrix.org
[m]
rust = spinning rust
Paolo Marcheschi
@marcheschi
very interesting project appeared today on smartos mailing list : https://github.com/2itcn/smartos-docker
Jan Poctavek
@YanChii
very interesting
infinity202
@infinity202
hi, it's me again ;-)
I still forget how I can get a SunOS zone with the latest SmartOS version (or at least with pkg images later then 2019) ?
Running platform 4.5 ce
infinity202
@infinity202

ld.so.1: git-remote-http: fatal: libc.so.1: version 'ILLUMOS_0.39' not found (required by file /opt/local/lib/libcurl.so.4)
ld.so.1: git-remote-http: fatal: libc.so.1: open failed: No such file or directory
error: git-remote-https died of signal 9

i am done with this

wilbury
@wilbury:matrix.org
[m]
i'm working on a brand new platform
Paolo Marcheschi
@marcheschi
Thank you @wilbury:matrix.org for your work !!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
infinity202
@infinity202
Super! I am very curious about it.
And ofcourse a Merry Christmas and a perfect 2023
wilbury
@wilbury:matrix.org
[m]
thank you all. i wish all the best to you, too.
charly1212
@charly1212_twitter
Hi @wilbury:matrix.org @YanChii We at Belga Press Agency are using now for several years now Danubecloud. At the moment we dont't see any updates comming? Is this project (danube) still alive? IS there a easy way to update the host to the latest smart OS version so we can run the latest Linux zones (22.04)?
Jan Poctavek
@YanChii
Hi @charly1212_twitter We are working on the new platform. We've been delayed as the new platform didn't compile easily after recent changes. I hope @wilbury:matrix.org will have the testable platform soon and then we'll start working on the release. To cut your waiting time, it will be possible to upgrade to new platform before new DC release.
charly1212
@charly1212_twitter
@YanChii Thanks for the info. At Belga we use this platform very intensively and we are happy to hear that further development is taking place.
There are a lot of improvements
Jan Poctavek
@YanChii
thanks, good to know it's out
Neal Hamilton
@nealhamilton:matrix.org
[m]
I'm inquiring about the health of this project as it doesn't seem to have much traction. I was researching smartos gui and found the trition data center but it lacks lots of features that we have in our vcenter and xenserver clouds. Somebody mentioned danube and it seems like what I'm used to seeing in vcenter like provision and console access..looks like it can scale large data center installs to. What's the status of the project and what's the long term status / roadmap? I can't find to much about danube...how many devs do you guys have? If you product is truly like what your homepage shows it's a shame you don't have more recognition and a larger project. Perhaps a reddit channel and get more devs involved?
I'm hoping this project is looking to move forward and get more mainstream like vcenter, proxmox etc.
Also, do you guys use smartos or do you create your own host image based off of smartos? If you base it off of it then how often do you pull in updates?
Jan Poctavek
@YanChii
Hi Neal. Thank you for the interest in Danube Cloud. We're aiming to be an open source alternative for vcenter/cloud orchestrator and to public clouds.
The project was backed by Erigones startup but it didn't get enough traction to take off in world recognition and support subscriptions like e.g. Proxmox.
Nothing is lost, we still support the project but we also have to be realistic about the new features and release schedule that is somewhat dependent on the support interest... which, honestly, is currently quite low.
Jan Poctavek
@YanChii
There are plans to support linux compute node to get newest features of LXD and libvirt. Also FreeBSD computte node support is possible. But we don't have strict deadlines for it.
For now, we build custom fork of SmartOS with some additional features. It does not differ much from the upstream and you could still be able to use the upstream version. We aim for two releases per year, currently we're behind as we're struggling backward compatibility. @wilbury:matrix.org is doing his best to make the new platform working.
Jan Poctavek
@YanChii
Anyway, what our website says about the features, it's true. We can scale, manage multitenant environments, do backups and automate deployments.
wilbury
@wilbury:matrix.org
[m]
i'm very close to have the platform finished. i've postponed the activity as there have been some serious issues in underlaying illumos code (that are now fixerd)
Neal Hamilton
@nealhamilton:matrix.org
[m]
Cool, I just want to say that it might be your time to shine. With the economy tanking and inflation on the rise people are looking for cheaper solutions. Again, from what I read on your homepage you have a product that could compete but I honestly think it's because nobody knows about it. There's no reddit channels or fourms etc. People can't get excited about what they don't know about. It's the same reason smartos and trition is basically unknown...you have to promote it and setup place on the internet for users,devs, and customers to collaborate like the proxmox forums. I think if you guys made a effort to become more know and started asking devs to become interested you could be competing with proxmox and xen sooner than you think. Anyways..I mean all this in good spirit.
On the lxd and libvirt are you saying it's gong to have the ability to run linux containers natively. It already has linux zones right via the solaris kernel.
Neal Hamilton
@nealhamilton:matrix.org
[m]
:point_up: Edit: Cool, I just want to say that it might be your time to shine. With the economy tanking and inflation on the rise people are looking for cheaper solutions. Again, from what I read on your homepage you have a product that could compete but I honestly think it's because nobody knows about it. There's no reddit channels or fourms etc. People can't get excited about what they don't know about. It's the same reason smartos and trition is basically unknown...you have to promote it and setup place on the internet for users,devs, and customers to collaborate like the proxmox forums. I think if you guys made a effort to become more know and started asking devs to become interested you could be competing with proxmox and xenserver sooner than you think with paid subs. Also, not sure how easy it is to install but a simple .iso image where somebody can install it quick like vmware or proxmox and start getting a feel for it can really help. Anyways..I mean all this in good spirit.
:point_up: Edit: Cool, I just want to say that it might be your time to shine. With the economy tanking and inflation on the rise people are looking for cheaper solutions. Again, from what I read on your homepage you have a product that could compete but I honestly think it's because nobody knows about it. There's no reddit channels or fourms etc. People can't get excited about what they don't know about. It's the same reason smartos and trition is basically unknown...you have to promote it and setup place on the internet for users,devs, and customers to collaborate like the proxmox forums. I think if you guys made a effort to become more know and started asking devs to become interested you could be competing with proxmox and xenserver sooner than you think with paid subs. I'm surprised the Illumos project hasn't tried to help so they can include it as a complete hypervisor package like unbutu or redhat does. Also, not sure how easy it is to install but a simple .iso image where somebody can install it quick like vmware or proxmox and start getting a feel for it can really help. Anyways..I mean all this in good spirit.
Neal Hamilton
@nealhamilton:matrix.org
[m]
:point_up: Edit: On the lxd and libvirt are you saying it's gong to have the ability to run linux containers natively on the smartos host? It already has linux zones right via the solaris kernel right? Or are you saying it's going to support linux and freebsd physical servers mixed in with the smartos ones. If the latter is the case you guys should just work with proxmox and merge projects for a multi hypervisor "Hyperconverged infrastructure".
Neal Hamilton
@nealhamilton:matrix.org
[m]
:point_up: Edit: On the lxd and libvirt are you saying it's gong to have the ability to run linux containers natively on the smartos host? It already has linux zones via the solaris kernel right? Or are you saying it's going to support linux and freebsd physical servers mixed in with the smartos ones? If the latter is the case you guys should just work with proxmox and merge projects for a multi hypervisor "Hyperconverged infrastructure".
charly1212
@charly1212_twitter
@YanChii @wilbury:matrix.org
At Belga we are using meanly the Linux zones and this working fine for us, but sometimes we need to increase max-lwps to 65536 in de zone XML file. This to run programs like Elastic / Solr and Mongo etc. in a linux zone. Should be nice to have, to change this in the Danube Console / Gui so we don't need to change the XML files. For most program's the 1024 is enough, but in some cases a higher value is needed.
charly1212
@charly1212_twitter
Also I tried to use the most recent Smart-OS kernel and then add them to the danube-cloud by running convert-smartos-to-danube-cloud.sh. The OS was after reboot upgraded, but some paremeters in de /usbkey/config didn't work. The aggr bondig function in the config wasn't working any more.
Jan Poctavek
@YanChii
@nealhamilton:matrix.org thank you for your inputs and thoughts. You're probably hitting the right direction.
Jan Poctavek
@YanChii
From what I see as Proxmox HCI, I don't quite see an overlap with DC. We already have the hyperconverged design. The only missing part is probably CEPH.
I've meant a support of linux or fbsd hypervisor in addition to smartos. But this won't be competed soon.
@charly1212_twitter the conersion script can have some uncovered use cases. If you send me details on what worked and what didn't work out, I can see how it can be fixed.
charly1212
@charly1212_twitter
@YanChii next week I will install a new server and try to use the conversion scrip again and will provide feedback, but i already noticed that de aggregate setup as describe in Danube documentation isn't working on the latest smart-os version. Very strange. But I will inform you next week. Regarding Proxmox I'm not sure you can compare it completely with DC. CEPH is a complete other approach then the ZFS filesystem structure. Both system are verry good, but I think it's a different approach. At the moment we are running at Belga 190 zones/ VM on 10 physical servers, which we never could achieve on a typical Hypervisor virtualization. We tried them all.