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Micah Zoltu
@MicahZoltu
I have no problem with that rationally. Though, I do worry that the people involved will be over-zealous about pushing through once they have sunk time into the project (whatever it is).
ledgerwatch
@AlexeyAkhunov
I found it in the past that otherwise, if the things are not solid enough, they are quickly whittled down by endless discussions and meandering. I can incorporate critique from 5-10 people and iterate quickly, but I cannot do it quickly with 100 people
Micah Zoltu
@MicahZoltu
It is easier to sway someone's decision before they have put a lot of their own time/energy into their opinion/view/belief.
ledgerwatch
@AlexeyAkhunov
@5chdn Sorry Afri, I meant calling me bad names as a joke, it was probably a bad joke
Micah Zoltu
@MicahZoltu
@AlexeyAkhunov It is unclear to me what you gain by keeping things private/close to your vest.
ledgerwatch
@AlexeyAkhunov
In fact, I even regret having this organised as a meeting with notes etc. All I wanted is to have a chat with 10 people about Ethereum :(
Micah Zoltu
@MicahZoltu
Why not just ask the questions in a public forum, and then filter out the noise yourself?
That seems simpler than trying to filter down to the right people and then accepting all noise from those people.
jwasinger
@jwasinger
that sounds exhausting
ledgerwatch
@AlexeyAkhunov
@MicahZoltu There is no gain to me in keeping it private
Micah Zoltu
@MicahZoltu
Is there gain to someone else?
ledgerwatch
@AlexeyAkhunov
I believe that we should try all different ways of organising ourselves in this can help Ethereum improve
Micah Zoltu
@MicahZoltu
:thumbsup:
So you aren't arguing that this mechanism is better, only that we shouldn't be opposed to trying various forms of collaboration?
ledgerwatch
@AlexeyAkhunov
Yes, public discussion should definitely take place all the time. But my personal observation is small groups can often move along faster to get to a goal, and I want to utilise that
and the goal is not to make secret changes in the protocol. The goal is to make high-quality proposals
Greg Colvin
@gcolvin
Weird. I shared a link. I
Ben Edgington
@benjaminion

Coindesk wrote:

a previously undisclosed upgrade

Hey, I disclosed it nearly two weeks ago! These guys really need to keep up to date with "What's New in Eth2": https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oMi-0ZbCD5SdBtMxtHC5gaiflX8MnXGF1_Nk-_gGIUI/edit#heading=h.7kxmdua1kdlr

ledgerwatch
@AlexeyAkhunov
Ok, no problem :) victory for the freedom of press, I guess
Lane Rettig
@lrettig
@/all Meeting begins in three minutes. Sharing the link to join again: https://zoom.us/j/867663881
Greg Colvin
@gcolvin
I didn't think sharing a public link. Amounty to publishing.
Péter Szilágyi
@karalabe

@5chdn The first secret meeting was an ewasm catchup with totally random people sitting on the floor in devcon in one of the public rooms (Fredrik was there too), where we talked whether ewasm could help Ethereum get a bit more performant. That devolved into me telling people about ideas I've been sitting on for data reduction, and all the complications why it's hard. Alexey lso had some ideas he's been sitting on. We agreed to follow up.

[The second secret meeting was Me, Felix and Martin discussing ideas at dinner that day.]

The 3rd secret meeting was actually organized by the research team to talk on the Ethereum 2.0 progress Parity and Pantheon has been making, and how to motivate it. Hence why Joe was there. Fredrik was again there. I hijacked that meeting and told people that Eth 2.0 is nice and all, but can we try to do something while 2.0 arrives so that 1.0 gets better and doesn't just survive? The meeting wasn't organized to talk about these things. Ihijackedthemeeting**

We totally ran out of time (had 1h), so agreed to pick it up the next day, when we were kicked out again from the building, so we delayed again and had our 5th "secret" meeting at 9am the next day. Since we couldn't figure out anything meaningful, we agree to try to dream up some EIPs, but since it's a lot of work for a single person, we figured we can form groups to pop ideas back and forth. That's what's been "decided", to draft up an initial idea to publish publicly.

The last secret meeting was a handful of us sitting in the "food court" at devcon (where everybody else was, ate, etc) and talked about how we could solve some problems.

That's your conspiracy theory.

Hudson Jameson
@Souptacular
Greg Colvin
@gcolvin
Thanks Peter. I never suspected or alleged conspiracy. Just a mistake.
5chdn
@5chdn
I don't have any conspiracy theory. I just asked questions. The answers, however, where unexpected and somewhot shocking.
Hudson Jameson
@Souptacular
I think Coindesk made a bigger deal than they should have.
Added the coindesk article as an agenda item.
Péter Szilágyi
@karalabe
@gcolvin @5chdn I apologize for calling it a "conspiracy theory". That was unwarranted for.
Greg Colvin
@gcolvin
No problem Peter. I am hoping someone provides a better report than these mintes.
Your comments help a lot.
Alex Beregszaszi
@axic
I wonder what is the definition of “core developer”.
Hudson Jameson
@Souptacular
Good point
Alex Beregszaszi
@axic
I suppose the “raise hand” feature is not useful :)
Péter Szilágyi
@karalabe
ohh, that's what that icon was
:))
Daniel Ellison
@zigguratt
That was a great article by @lrettig. I enjoyed it.
ledgerwatch
@AlexeyAkhunov
I have to leave the meeting, sorry. My node has synced to Ropsten finally :)
Mikhail Kalinin
@mkalinin
@karalabe could you please share PR(s) and gists if you have them related to performance improvements that you have just mentioned?
Péter Szilágyi
@karalabe
Mikhail Kalinin
@mkalinin
thx!
Jacek Sieka
@arnetheduck
Alex Beregszaszi
@axic
Somebody need to select another Stockholm metro stop for the name of the progpow testnet
5chdn
@5chdn
Why stockholm? :)
Alex Beregszaszi
@axic
All of them are from Stockholm except Goerli :)
Jacek Sieka
@arnetheduck
well, Kovan is in Singapore
Péter Szilágyi
@karalabe
morden is london
Piper Merriam
@pipermerriam
I find it somewhat hilarious that I never knew any of this