ethereum/AllCoreDevs

Ghost

@ghost~55c3ed250fc9f982beac84b3

time to get rid of those bombs, I think :)

Danno Ferrin

@shemnon

I don’t think we should seriously consider removing the bomb until the finality gadget is working.

econoar

@econoar

@MadeofTin if I remember correctly eip-1234 pushed it 2mn blocks. At the time the estimate was 12 months because block times were 15 seconds (347 days). However block times had actually been around 13.2 which actually puts it at 305 days. We’re not to block 9280000 yet but we’re only 2 months away. The reason the blip could be showing up early is because it was showing up before constantinople too.

James Hancock

@MadeofTin

Yes, something like that. I don't want to speculate too much before I go through the data, but the shorter block-time certainly would have a compounding effect.

Hudson Jameson

@Souptacular

A blog post about Istanbul will be on the ethereum.org blog in the next 36 hours.

Danno Ferrin

@shemnon

Difficulty is 2.5E15, 1.6E11 comes from the difficulty bomb. That’s not an ice age blip.

1.6E11 ~ 2^37. difficulty is on the order of 2^52. My estimate is that in 1.5 million blocks we will be back up to 30 second block times, so Q2 is when we may start observing with the naked eye the ice age.

econoar

@econoar

Hm ok, strange. Didn’t constantinople just push it 2mn blocks though? How can we still be 1.5 million blocks away when we’ve had 1.6mn since that fork?

Danno Ferrin

@shemnon

We weren’t at 30 second blocks.

econoar

@econoar

right, 20ish

Danno Ferrin

@shemnon

my math may be off about the actual onset, but that wasn’t an ice age blip.

we may only be 1 to 1.2 away from 30 second blocks.

Ghost

@ghost~5b27d590d73408ce4f9dbd7c

how much the gas price will be reduced on ETH2.0?

Danno Ferrin

@shemnon

but as block time goes up each ice age epoch takes longer.

There has been no realistic discussions about gas price in Eth 2.0. IMHO phase 1 needs to go into client impl and testnet before anything reasonable can be conjectured.

EIP-1559, however it lands, will have more of an immediate impact on gas price.

James Hancock

@MadeofTin

Also, the decrease in Hashrate will affect when the Iceage is visible as well.

Piotr Gankiewicz

@spetz

Hi, if anyone has some spare ETH on Ropsten network, I'd be grateful for a donation to account: 0x321d9eF3Ea0190C722B95A514e77c442C4a262f8 (we've been testing Nethermind client)

Tomasz Kajetan Stańczak

@tkstanczak

Ropsten ETH anyone? :)

Ideally some slightly bigger chunk of 100 or so would be great and much appreciated.

Ethernal love and so.

El De-dog-lo

@fubuloubu

1000 incoming https://ropsten.etherscan.io/tx/0xf24ee9cc8b84875ba79d3e82fefb5a27e9500b23c470fd3ef98a313cd24cabdd

Piotr Gankiewicz

@spetz

Thank you very much!

Tomasz Kajetan Stańczak

@tkstanczak

@fubuloubu thanks a lot!

El De-dog-lo

@fubuloubu

NP. I wish I was that rich in real ETH lol

Tomasz Kajetan Stańczak

@tkstanczak

yeah, next time we will try to ask for the mainnet transfer ;)

Hudson Jameson

@Souptacular

@phillux @sorpaas in the new Parity release, what does the chain flag --chain foundation mean?

Wei Tang

@sorpaas

@Souptacular That's what we call the Ethereum blockchain in Parity. You can omit that flag and the client is by default on foundation.

Hudson Jameson

@Souptacular

@sorpaas :/
I don't like that naming as it implies that the Ethereum Foundation has an "official role" in defining what is the main Ethereum blockchain. I understand why it is in though.

Wei Tang

@sorpaas

@Souptacular We have been calling that for quite long time, though. It's just a name anyway. Hope it's fine.
If we change it, we would need to create an unnecessary migration tool, because the name is used for the chain folder.

Danno Ferrin

@shemnon

FYI I’ve been calling it mainnet, to clarify whey I am talking about classic. Is that an OK name?

El De-dog-lo

@fubuloubu

But classic has a mainnet too?

How about --modern?

Tomasz Kajetan Stańczak

@tkstanczak

maybe --vintage and --pioneer?

Danno Ferrin

@shemnon

—historic

Next year we need an off devcon MTG draft or sealed tournoment.

In addition to a Gods Unchained bracket.

Bob Summerwill

@bobsummerwill

Be happy, guys.
Parity used to have "dogmatic" for Classic for a long time.
I think it even used to be "assist-dao-hacker" for a very short while before that :-)

https://github.com/paritytech/parity-ethereum/blob/master/parity/params.rs#L69

        "eth" | "ethereum"  | "foundation" | "mainnet" => SpecType::Foundation,
        "etc" | "classic" => SpecType::Classic,

Bob Summerwill

@bobsummerwill

There is a great talk by Charles Hoskinson at ETC Summit 2017 which I only saw for the first time around two weeks ago.

https://youtu.be/vYvbzjETbxI

In it he talks about "The Two Ethereums" always existing, but the irreconcilable difference between those visions only becoming apparent at the time of the DAO fork.

Those two visions were "A Better Bitcoin" and "World Computer". We call those visions ETC and ETH2 these days. And I guess ETH1 is "World Computer Prototype"?

The "right answer" on "what to do" at the time of the DAO fork was different for these two visions. Hence the split.

The beautiful truth in this insight is that there is no conflict whatsoever between these two visions - they are entirely complimentary. We FINALLY seem to be getting to the point where we can respect that duality, and we can collaborate on the huge technical commonality, while maintaining the differing philosophies.

Bob Summerwill

@bobsummerwill

"Better Bitcoin" = Bitcoin + Smart Contracts + Rich Statefulness

So that is pretty much the scope of ETC.
It is a much more tractable problem.

"So what is the scaling plan for ETC?"

L2. State Channels already work on ETH2 (Fate Channels + Connext already in production).
Fate Channels don't need CREATE2 so will work today on ETC as well.
Connext will work on ETC when we get Constantinople opcodes at Agharta in Jan 2020:
https://ecips.ethereumclassic.org/ECIPs/ecip-1056

And then both ETH1 and ETC will benefit from standardized state channels when this initiative bears fruit: https://statechannels.org/

Miss_quan

@Miss__quan_twitter

PoS Consensus Paradigm Shift? APoS better than PoS?
https://medium.com/@marcopolo_opensource/pos-consensus-paradigm-shift-apos-better-than-pos-e5f7f112165f

Bob Summerwill

@bobsummerwill

The plan for scaling L1 on ETC is not to scale L1.
Or at least to only do that in a sustainable "Moore's law" style manner.
Only to the degree which the current tech stack can support.
Security always comes first for ETC.
"Better Bitcoin", not "World Computer"

Hope that gives everyone some more insight into the thinking.

Hudson Jameson

@Souptacular

@sorpaas totally understand. It's not a huge deal :)

James Hancock

@MadeofTin

I have always thought about it as “immutability” and “decentralization” as the primary directives for ETC and ETH. But, that is just my observation.

Hudson Jameson

@Souptacular

@/all All Core Devs Call in 8 hours

Agenda: ethereum/pm#138

Hudson Jameson