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Kristy-Leigh Minehan
@OhGodAGirl
You have proven this multiple times.
Your 'analysis' is off by a factor of 64, according to XMR.
Andrew
@vtbradle_twitter
My understanding is the memory constraints make highly expensive and non-trivial
Sonia-Chen
@Sonia-Chen
send an email to innosilicon, see what they say
send one to bitmain
many people are saying the same thing
Andrew
@vtbradle_twitter
For which variant of ProgPoW?
Kristy-Leigh Minehan
@OhGodAGirl
@Sonia-Chen You realize that the easy solution to this is to just tweak the knobs every month? ;)
You cannot build a better GPU.
You lack the economies of scale afforded to the ecosystem.
You stated here: https://www.coindesk.com/a-multi-million-dollar-bet-ethereums-proof-of-stake-isnt-coming-soon - that if Ethereum would continue to operate on "wasteful GPUs", you would carry on with ETC.
Andrew
@vtbradle_twitter
@Sonia-Chen maybe I’m missing something here but is Linzhi ill equipped to do the same?
Sonia-Chen
@Sonia-Chen
for us to make a progpow asic?
Andrew
@vtbradle_twitter
Yeah
Sonia-Chen
@Sonia-Chen
making an asic is a commitment into the stability of that coin
Kristy-Leigh Minehan
@OhGodAGirl
Many people can say the same thing, that they can "build x". I can also do the same thing. The reality is that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how GPU silicon and GPU design works. You prove this with sweeping statements of yields and mathematical calculations that are off by a factor of 64.
Sonia-Chen
@Sonia-Chen
that's why we launched at etc summit and are making the chip primarily for etc
Kristy-Leigh Minehan
@OhGodAGirl
ETC does not want ASICs, either.
You are lashing out because you believe this is an attack: my statement is that you do not have the healthy supply chains or the ability to distribute hardware at scale.
Sonia-Chen
@Sonia-Chen
from our view, progpow is something entirely different from what is being said publicy, it's a corporate takeover attempt by an unholy alliance of nvidia, core scientific (where no-horse Kristy is CTO), and nchain. we probably don't want to do an asic for a coin controlled by these corporations.
Kristy-Leigh Minehan
@OhGodAGirl
How will you ensure your hardware can be available to every single individual, when you state you will have 'customer screening'?
chuckle
And there are the personal attacks.
Sonia-Chen
@Sonia-Chen
oh we will definitely qualify customers, we learned that the hard way. long story. once the Ethereum Foundation sells VDF they will do the same.
Andrew
@vtbradle_twitter
The rationale does not compute, why commit to ethash for a chain with questionable economic incentives like ETC, while knowing ETH has a PoS roadmap. If ETC was truly your target, then ETH’s switch shouldn’t be a factor for you.
Kristy-Leigh Minehan
@OhGodAGirl
Let's address this one by one:
Sonia-Chen
@Sonia-Chen
it is not. @vtbradle_twitter not interested in volunteer input?
Kristy-Leigh Minehan
@OhGodAGirl
  1. Core Scientific and ProgPoW have nothing to do with each other. Timelines do not add up. Core Scientific hired me as their CTO after their CEO joined. ProgPoW was done well before then.
Sonia-Chen
@Sonia-Chen
progpow is very interesting to us,we are learning a lot. when we started we were hoping that the ETH devs could give us rules! little did we know that they are being overrun by nvidia.
Kristy-Leigh Minehan
@OhGodAGirl
  1. NVIDIA and AMD have both had equal input into ProgPoW, and numerous individuals in the EF were a part of that journey.
  1. nChain has absolutely nothing to do with Ethereum, and I am not a professional consultant or advisor to them. Though my work in the blockchain does ensure I touch every single coin.
Shall we talk about how you are really upset, because you did not receive funding?
Sonia-Chen
@Sonia-Chen
@vtbradle_twitter we have started an open progpow asic design (yesterday). The initial feedback was great and we will - slowly - continue.
Kristy-Leigh Minehan
@OhGodAGirl
And your design was already debunked.
You are off - again - by a factor of 64.
You deliberately sow misinformation.
Sonia-Chen
@Sonia-Chen
2000 Kristy.
our next steps: continue with open progpow design, process feedback, make it better. find out more about power consumption. I don't think we are interested in this asic, because of what I said before, and because bitmain and inno are better setup for that.
Kristy-Leigh Minehan
@OhGodAGirl
Wonderful. And I will continue to refute you.
Sonia-Chen
@Sonia-Chen
I'm setting myself another self-imposed 48hr silence in this group, starting now, to improve ETH governance. Good luck everyone! Everything will be good.
Kristy-Leigh Minehan
@OhGodAGirl
Let the best technocracy win.
Danno Ferrin
@shemnon
I feel discussion about the particulars of ProgPow should not be on Governance. There are gitter channels for progpow.
Ghost
@ghost~55c3ed250fc9f982beac84b3
I actually think that unless there are other pressing matters to discuss here, this channel is just fine for discussing ProgPOW
Andrew
@vtbradle_twitter
At least keeps it out of AllCoreDevs
Ghost
@ghost~55c3ed250fc9f982beac84b3
sometimes it is kind of annoying that once a really interesting discussion starts, someone tries to "shoo" it away :)
Ghost
@ghost~55c3ed250fc9f982beac84b3
I don't really mind where the discussions are happening, as long as they are happening :)
Andrew
@vtbradle_twitter
With ya there
Danno Ferrin
@shemnon
I think governance about ProgPow is on topic, details of Asics and miner economics are better served in ProgPoW-review.
James Hancock
@madeof_tin_twitter
I am trying to find the right room to discuss the difficultly adjustment algorithm. Any tips on where is best?