Greg Colvin made the following comment on the Gitter Ethereum/governance chanal:
Greg Colvin @gcolvin Mar 29 17:15
“I personally abhor Twitter and Reddit, but I shouldn't let that color my judgement so much. Yes, they are means of communication. What I said is that they are not communities. What I would like to see is more organization, more attempts to be legitimate voices for the community and its subcommunities. Right now it's like a shouting mob that I have to tune out to get any work done.”
Canonizer.com is for exactly for this kind of organization and consensus building . It stops all the yelling since everyone can just reference what camp they are in. If anyone wants something, they can support an existing community or camp already working on that or create a new consensus building topic, or new competing camp in an existing topic for others to join and help.
The only hard part, is finding enough people that want the same thing you do. Once you achieve that, people will find a way to make it happen.
We’ve started the Ethereum Consensus Project (see: https://canonizer.com/topic/210-Ethereum-Consensus-Project/1) for exactly what Greg is asking for. We’ve seeded it with the following 3 consensus building survey topics:
State Fees: https://canonizer.com/topic/212-Ether-State-Fees/1
Ethereum Consensus Algorithm: https://canonizer.com/topic/213-Ethereum-Consensus-Algorithm/1
These are just 3 seed topics, to get things started. Anyone can make any improvements, as long as they get approved by existing supporters. And anyone can start any additional topic to build a consensus community on anything.
If there is anything we can do to help with this process, reach out to me, or use firstname.lastname@example.org . Our team at Canonizer.com is fully dedicated to the Etherium community. And please be aware that this is still a crude prototype, still with lots of issues and things that need to be fixed. So any an all help with this is greatly appreciated. This is an open source system (https://github.com/the-canonizer/canonizer.2.0), being developed for free, by volunteers.
It’s not algorithmic consensus building. It just measures the consensus of the wiki camps people build and support any way you want. (i.e. expert consensus vs popular consensus… of existing wiki camps representing growing communities.)
We have a phone verification system, where people can be verified by providing their phone number. This works in the US now, but we have plans to implement is worldwide as soon as possible. So someone will need to pay for 2 phone numbers, to have 2 votes. And we are working closely with the Self Soring Identity community for a much more capable KYC verification system in the near future. So canonizer algorithms will be able to easily filter out anonymous supporters, if you wish.
Not sure if this is the right channel for this, but given all the governance talk about the EIPs process recently, I’ve tried to create a new page on eips.ethereum.org to describe the process. On one hand, I think it can be valuable to make the process a bit more explicit, but on the other, I’m weary of creating yet another thing that will need to be maintained and that people will have to stumble upon.
Here is a link to a current draft: ethereum/EIPs#1932
I’m wondering if anyone thinks this type of initiative is helpful, and whether it may be best as part of another resource (i.e. EIP-1, EIP-233, etc.)
@lookfirst To me that’s the least interesting part of what happened — the other stuff is more interesting. E.g. why did it take so long to get paid? Why was it on him to follow up? Why was there no response?
Of course... but we can ask lots of questions about the processes of the EF. Such as the original part of his blog post about ProgPoW and the lack of funding there. We can call out the EF on 'the right thing to do' (TM) in 500 different ways, but that doesn't get anywhere either. To conflate the two issues together just feels like attention gathering. At the end of the day, he got lucky that ETH went up in price and he had something to complain about. If it had gone down, maybe there would have been no comment? He got paid after complaining in public because someone dropped the ball. Good. End of story.