These are chat archives for ethereum/homestead-guide

2nd
Mar 2016
klmoney
@klmoney
Mar 02 2016 16:07
Is there a need to coordinate cross-referencing label names?
void4
@void4
Mar 02 2016 16:44
My first contact with the system was from the IPFS direction and Dr. Gavin Woods Ethereum 2.0 presentation made incredibly much sense to me. In the last months I have repeatedly made an observation - that many newcomers are unfamiliar with the original vision of Ethereum and therefore make false assumptions about possible use cases and ecosystem restrictions. This has led me to believe that Whisper and Swarm should be treated as "first class citizens" instead of auxiliary components, even though they are admittedly not the main focus of development right now. By now, "Ethereum" in its meaning has become equivalent to the blockchain, or even worse, the single public network. Introducing it as a platform that decentralises communication, data storage and program state might help to fix this. I'm not sure how EthDevs feel about this, thats why I'm asking here.
hughlang
@hughlang
Mar 02 2016 16:45
interesting
Viktor Trón
@zelig
Mar 02 2016 16:47

believe that Whisper and Swarm should be treated as "first class citizens" instead of auxiliary components, even though they are admittedly not the main focus of development right now

^^

Over the next couple of weeks, the teams will come together to pave the road for future development on both the Ethereum protocol as well as a roadmap for the clients and sub-protocols such as Swarm and Whisper. Once we have a clear picture of the work ahead we’ll provide details in another blog post.

https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/02/29/homestead-release/

void4
@void4
Mar 02 2016 16:48
^ The dream right there.
Viktor Trón
@zelig
Mar 02 2016 16:50
I am not entirely sure they will ever be 'first class citizens', time will reveal their popularity and usefulness
void4
@void4
Mar 02 2016 16:58
Based on conversations I had both online and at meetups, many seem to think of dapps as some kind of application with a blockchain backend and nothing else. So they reason that they have to store and compute everything there, with all communication happening indirectly over the contract. Then, they find out that this does indeed have implications for user privacy and experience (e.g. tx delay, costs), sometimes disregarding the value of Ethereum as a platform based on that fact or blindly trying to use that approach anyway.
Consensus is only one component, communication and data are the others.
Bob Summerwill
@bobsummerwill
Mar 02 2016 17:46
Essentially, there is just lots of work to do, @void4, both within the "Ethereum umbrella" and within the broader technology community. We're all going to be building stuff until the cows come home. But it all has to happen incrementally, and its value is emergent. I would love to see Whisper and Swarm moving forward faster (and Light Client, and Casper and ...) but there is no need to panic. One foot in front of another, eh?
void4
@void4
Mar 02 2016 17:59
@bobsummerwill: Aye, I got my towel. Looking forward to contribute to this. :)
hughlang
@hughlang
Mar 02 2016 18:00
I'm back in the saddle again. I will do read through of the current docs to get caught up today.
Fabian Vogelsteller
@frozeman
Mar 02 2016 18:29
@bobsummerwill do you have this picture in large as well?
this is awesome!
hughlang
@hughlang
Mar 02 2016 18:31
I think it came from the ethereum blog.
This page has some fun diagrams and a peek inside Vitalik's brain https://ethereumbuilders.gitbooks.io/guide/content/en/vitalik-diagrams/readme.html
Bob Summerwill
@bobsummerwill
Mar 02 2016 20:03
I think Gav made the diagram, a long time ago, probably as part of a "Web 3.0" talk.
It is good, eh, @frozeman!
Fabian Vogelsteller
@frozeman
Mar 02 2016 20:03
yeah very nice
you have a higher res?
Bob Summerwill
@bobsummerwill
Mar 02 2016 20:03
I just googled "Gav Wood Diagram", I believe.
Fabian Vogelsteller
@frozeman
Mar 02 2016 20:11
thanks!