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Aug 2016
sathishvj
@sathishvj
Aug 08 2016 05:43
So apparently alethzero is not to be used. Is there a place to download alethone? (p.s. I’m on OS X El Capitan)
Bob Summerwill
@bobsummerwill
Aug 08 2016 06:56

AlethOne was retired several months ago, @sathishvj, and the old binaries won't work anymore, because they were pre hard-fork.

If you are looking to mine, you will need to use the command-line ethminer. Check out:

Or just search online for "Ethereum Mining". There are multiple tutorials and video guides. Best wishes!

sathishvj
@sathishvj
Aug 08 2016 07:07
been searching for those, but it’s getting difficult to filter the ones that are relevant and not relevant. :-) anyways, thank you for your guidance @bobsummerwill I’ll check more on that and then come back.
sathishvj
@sathishvj
Aug 08 2016 07:20
Are these tools relevant
  • Mist Browser (0.8.1)
  • Mix-IDE (1.0.5)
Looks like the Mist app has everything that the Ethereum-Wallet app has. Is the wallet app redundant?
Kevin Patrick Tan
@kepat
Aug 08 2016 08:39
Hi I know this is a stupid question, I just started learning etherium, I am quite confused.. wallet is an application is it?.. etherium is the virtual or like the host right?
sathishvj
@sathishvj
Aug 08 2016 08:54
I’ve been learning too only … but I’ll try to answer first @kepat … in my own paraphrased words. Ethereum is a global networked platform/software - kind of like this image … https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/01/16/93/71/500_F_116937149_h2DOTWUp52A2W8s0yDP6KRwhMBroFe2n.jpg
Nodes (are computers that) run point software that connects the network together and performs various functions.
The way you get into the network is via an Account - a unique long hash string identifies you publicly and you will have a password that authenticates you to a software …
this software (like ethereum-wallet but there could be others) is an application either residing on your local machine or on a remote server (kind of like you could either have a email client locally or via gmail.com)
sathishvj
@sathishvj
Aug 08 2016 09:00
Now Accounts and Wallets need distinguishing. Imagine your own wallet - you probably have two cards representing two bank accounts …
similarly a Wallet could hold multiple accounts. An account is identified by a public/private key.
A wallet can also hold other information beyond the account’s public/private key - things like contracts. (There’s more but I don’t know it well.)
Kevin Patrick Tan
@kepat
Aug 08 2016 09:04
oh ok, so basically wallet is just like a front end / gui .. to access etherium?
sathishvj
@sathishvj
Aug 08 2016 09:06
“Wallet is an application is it”: There is a conceptual idea of what a wallet is in the ethereum definitions; but applications that implement the features of a wallet also tends to call themselves wallets. (Kind of like email is a specification and people who implement it will call it something similar like Yahoo Mail or Gmail)
Kevin Patrick Tan
@kepat
Aug 08 2016 09:06
but hold on.. dapps are applications for etherium is it?.. based on how you shared above.. initially what I understood was.. etherium is something like the backend which is yeah connected by peer to peer.. then we deploy application there.. let me read more.. sorry started only few hours ago.. but a lot of document yet it confuses me
oh I see
I'll need to read more lol
sathishvj
@sathishvj
Aug 08 2016 09:07
Wallet need not have front ends, but they could have. It might only be a cli.
Hi bob,, I focused on yep the first one you shared
sathishvj
@sathishvj
Aug 08 2016 09:08
Yeah, I also am attempting to learn and trying out small things. Also, please don’t take my word for these. Believe the docs.
Kevin Patrick Tan
@kepat
Aug 08 2016 09:08
let me scan the other link.. thanks
haha,, noted sathishvj.. but thanks for sharing the things you understood..
@bobsummerwill at first.. the first part (introduction).. I understood it.. but when I went to the second part (ethereum clients) that's where my confusion started
anyways.. let me check the 2nd link now.. thanks
sathishvj
@sathishvj
Aug 08 2016 09:11
Hey @bobsummerwill . Could you tell me which of these are still relevant today and not been deprecated?
  • Mist Browser (0.8.1)
  • Mix-IDE (1.0.5)
  • Mist App vs Ethereum-Wallet (there seems to be significant overlap here)
Kush Goyal
@KushGoyal
Aug 08 2016 11:59
hi can anyone send me some testnet ether?
i have been mining on testnet for 30mins but no ether is showing in my account
Bob Summerwill
@bobsummerwill
Aug 08 2016 17:55

@sathishvj Only Mix IDE is gone.

Mist is the "Dapp browser platform" and the Wallet is a dapp on that platform. For most of the last few months, ONLY the wallet has been getting released, with that single (and key) application being developed in itself, and also as the means for getting Mist platform to maturity. But now we're at a stage where "Real Mist" releases are workable again too.

So https://github.com/ethereum/mist/releases/tag/0.8.1 has got two sets of binaries. If you are just a user then you should probably stick to just using the Wallet (so that is all you see). Going for the full Mist is primarily of interest to developers for right now.

sathishvj
@sathishvj
Aug 08 2016 17:57
Thank you @bobsummerwill Mist is of interest to me then. :smile:
Bob Summerwill
@bobsummerwill
Aug 08 2016 17:58
Yep - have fun!