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Jun 2016
Alexander Praetorius
@serapath
Jun 08 2016 02:05

Statistics

In general, germany has according to wikipedia ~53 million employed people and again according to wikipedia ~81 million population. So that's 5.83 million self employed.
If the rates will long term follow the usual pattern then, from ~1.5 million refugees - following the same pattern would mean potentially 0.98 million employed and 0.1 in self employment, that's roughly 100.000 of all newcomers in germany will be self employed in the future
Alexander Praetorius
@serapath
Jun 08 2016 02:57
  • This article says that migrants are more often self employed than germans => means eventually there will be more than 100.000 newcomers self employed in germany alone - ...and even way more given the general trend for more self employment
Alexander Praetorius
@serapath
Jun 08 2016 03:03
Alexander Praetorius
@serapath
Jun 08 2016 03:15
Alexander Praetorius
@serapath
Jun 08 2016 13:18
Nina Breznik
@ninabreznik
Jun 08 2016 13:20
Maybe you could send Ashraf also a FB message, just in case he misses this...
AshrafNassef
@AshrafNassef
Jun 08 2016 13:20
I got it
Thank you very much Alex. Very Useful.
Alexander Praetorius
@serapath
Jun 08 2016 13:21
haha :-) wonderful. ok perfect
I will also later the day finish the research regarding mobile app costs in general
AshrafNassef
@AshrafNassef
Jun 08 2016 13:21
It was a great pleasure talking to you both last night
Nina Breznik
@ninabreznik
Jun 08 2016 13:21
Same here
I like our work
AshrafNassef
@AshrafNassef
Jun 08 2016 13:22
It is always great to brainstorm with you
Alexander Praetorius
@serapath
Jun 08 2016 13:22
I guess the sources can be improved, but a first rough skimming and calculation says there will be quite a few new self employed people in germany alone... basically the MVP costs aprox 1 EUR per self employed newcomer :P
AshrafNassef
@AshrafNassef
Jun 08 2016 13:23
Alex. please remember to send me the study/research on app cost you mentioned
This is a great argument
1 EUR per self employed newcomer
Nina Breznik
@ninabreznik
Jun 08 2016 13:26
Nice
AshrafNassef
@AshrafNassef
Jun 08 2016 14:06
I have one more question regarding the cost
I think such platform will require a regular follow up in terms of technical support and solve any problem that may appear
How does such support gets normally organized?
Annual support contracts?
Nina Breznik
@ninabreznik
Jun 08 2016 14:09
It is true. Usually there is a monthly fee that covers server costs and mantainance.
Alexander Praetorius
@serapath
Jun 08 2016 14:09
Very likely - there will be a "backend" that will be permanently and it probably needs some kind of basic maintainance - the size/cost of that backend depend heavily on the number of users - thus will become more expensive with the growth of users. So maybe an annual support contract is necessary, but this depends also on the kind of features that are added later
Nina Breznik
@ninabreznik
Jun 08 2016 14:10
I will add this to our proposal and send it over to you again.
Alexander Praetorius
@serapath
Jun 08 2016 14:10
So for the MVP and the included features and probably a small user base initially the costs for that are probably negligible compared to the costs for building the app
AshrafNassef
@AshrafNassef
Jun 08 2016 14:10
This would be good. Thank you.
Alexander Praetorius
@serapath
Jun 08 2016 14:11

I guess we would also need a roadmap for

  • which features to add later
  • how many users will start using the app

because that estimation will depend mainly on the former and a bit on the latter

AshrafNassef
@AshrafNassef
Jun 08 2016 14:12
By the way, what is the name of your company? Is it fairy-dust?
Nina Breznik
@ninabreznik
Jun 08 2016 14:43
FairyDust is a brand but we each have our own micro holding: VisionBaker Ltd. and Seraseed Ltd. that co-own FairyDust agency.
Nina Breznik
@ninabreznik
Jun 08 2016 17:40
Hey, Ashraf, the proposal in updated now
i added two optional fields: user testing and maintenance
user testing is a focus group where we bring in few users and observe them how they use it and where the problems are so we can do final optimisations
and maintenance is as said before costs for hosting the app, so server + maintenance of this server
updates, monitoring etc.
Alexander Praetorius
@serapath
Jun 08 2016 19:13
@AshrafNassef added the research about mobile apps in general: