These are chat archives for fieldpapers/fieldpapers

10th
Feb 2016
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:05
hi all, who is here for the regular meeting?
I know @mojodna said he was out so I suspect it might be a little light (btw @mojodna I'll be in touch about coordinating the publicizing)
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:09
I'm here!
Talking to Lindsey...
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:10
ah okay! Was worried you might have had too much cake or something!
Chandra Lash
@clash99
Feb 10 2016 18:10
i'm here too
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:11
hi @clash99!
Chandra Lash
@clash99
Feb 10 2016 18:12
waz up?
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:13
so what particular things should we discuss this week?
one item I'm interested in is the survey
Lindsey Jacks
@linzjax
Feb 10 2016 18:15
We've gotten two responses so far.
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:15
TWO!!!!!
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:16
what was happening with advertising it on the Field papers site? Is that waiting for @mojodna?
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:16
I think so.
He said he was going to coordinate with you...
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:16
yeah I saw that I just wasn't sure what that meant :)
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Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:16
I assumed it meant it wasn't my responsility! ;-)
Lindsey Jacks
@linzjax
Feb 10 2016 18:17
So far they both prefer the full-length menu, and they would both rather have the col row buttons on the map.
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:17
Responsibility, obvs...
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:17
@linzjax and where as the survey gone so far?
@linzjax and where has the survey gone so far?
meaning how did they get to it?
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:18
Via the PR on GitHub?
I think Seth sent it to some people at ARC.
@wonderchook I think you could just start sending it out to anyone you think might be interested.
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:19
okay I can do that!
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:19
I was thinking that we shouldn't wait more than a week or so before trying to get Lindsey's changes into shape for deployment.
Anyone who's interested will have responded in that time.
(Assuming it's sent out to places they'll see it.)
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:19
I was going to send it to the main OSM-talk mailing list and the HOT mailing list were the two places
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:20
Sounds good. I don't know where else Seth was thinking of. He wanted to get some feedback from Dale, but thought it might be tricky.
Or take some time.
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:20
I wonder if they are both going to be in Colombia
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:20
We've got a few comments from Eric at Stamen and from Seth.
And Lindsey's going to gently pester Alec @ Stamen for some more feedback.
Chandra Lash
@clash99
Feb 10 2016 18:21
Are both options coded? I just could view the accordion one
Lindsey Jacks
@linzjax
Feb 10 2016 18:22
I coded both of them, but stuck to one option when looking at the grid interaction since I wanted to people to focus on the way the grid adjusted rather than the menu.
I could put the coded menu up somewhere
Chandra Lash
@clash99
Feb 10 2016 18:22
ok - got it
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:24
Seth suggested using a tabbed side panel instead of the accordions, which we're going to try.
Chandra Lash
@clash99
Feb 10 2016 18:25
Are the use of terms Option 1, 2, and 3 grid interactions versus Option 1 & 2 for menu layout confusing?
Or was I the only one expecting to see the full length menu as an option?
Maybe we should change the labels of the links to clarify to the user what they are looking at like "grid option 1"
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:27
I think it's pretty clear. And I'm more interested in the comments people write in the text box anyway. Presenting a couple of different options to look at is more a means of prompting comments.
Chandra Lash
@clash99
Feb 10 2016 18:27
I don't think its clear
So if we add more menu layouts, we should add layout option or grid option to the links to avoid confusion
I would suggest coding the three menu layout options if its not too time consuming because I think the interaction is key to helping people understand the pros and cons of each.
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:33
okay I've shared the link for the demo site/survey with the OSM community
Chandra Lash
@clash99
Feb 10 2016 18:33
Were we going to ask about language?
Or was that for something else?
Lindsey Jacks
@linzjax
Feb 10 2016 18:34
How hard would it be to add more hooks to the demo?
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:34
@clash99 oh yeah we were going to ask about language. Though normally I wait and see if someone asks to translate it. I can also mention translation welcome
Chandra Lash
@clash99
Feb 10 2016 18:35
What # of completed feedback surveys are we shooting for?
Or is there an end-date?
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 18:39
I think we were saying we wanted to leave it out there about a week
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:49
For me the key thing here is not the panel layouts, it's the interaction model with the page composer grid. If you look through the GitHub tickets for Field Papers, this is one of the things that's commented on frequently, and it's complicated to do right. The positive or negative user experience of the page composer seems like it depends much more on the interaction between the page composer grid controls and the map controls than anything else. There are just a lot more moving parts to it, and it's not something that's made from familiar UI elements, which makes producing a natural interaction model more difficult.
@linzjax Adding more stuff to the demo wouldn't be hard, but I'm not convinced of the benefit of it.
Chandra Lash
@clash99
Feb 10 2016 18:52
So I agree that if you want feedback on grid interactions, we shouldn't add in the additional interaction controls on top. Is there a way we can make the three different grid interactions more obvious? I'm not sure the nuances were as clear to me.
Could we actually make the options toggle available on the grid instead of having to go all the way to the entry page and sorta start over? Maybe that would be confusing as well...
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:53
And yes, a week of publicity seems about right: we have a time constraint in that we need to get this stuff "finished" for deployment before Lindsey's internship ends. There is probably a week or two of work to finish things off and get them into a deployable state -- there are a number of backend things that need to be checked off with Seth before we can deploy to fieldpapers.org so that we don't break users' existing canned atlases, for instance. There are four or five things already from the comments that we have that Lindsey and I are going to do, and Lindsey is also working on atlas rotation in the front end. (That won't land on fieldpapers.org during the internship because the backend changes to support are quite extensive and complicated, but I should be able to do that afterwards.)
I think we just need to strike a balance between doing enough on the demo to elicit comments (which I think we've pretty much done, even if it's not perfect) and taking time away from implementing the suggested changes and other new functionality. (I've already loaded Lindsey up with a pile of work for the next week, and she's not able to deploy to fieldpapers-demo.cadasta.org anyway, so I'd need to do that. I'm away from tomorrow until next Tuesday, so next Wednesday would be the earliest we could make any changes.)
Ian Ross
@ian-ross
Feb 10 2016 18:58
OK, I'm off for dinner now...
Chandra Lash
@clash99
Feb 10 2016 18:59
sounds good - nomnomnom....
Are we done? It sounds like we are basically going to wait for feedback at this point, right?
Kate Chapman
@wonderchook
Feb 10 2016 19:00
thanks, all. @linzjax let us know how the feedback goes. I just sent things to 2 mailing lists each with thousands of people
Lindsey Jacks
@linzjax
Feb 10 2016 19:00
Great, thanks! I will keep everyone posted.
Jude Mwenda
@jmwenda
Feb 10 2016 19:44
Has looking to provide feedback but could not make out the subtle differences in the three compose maps, what am I missing?
Lindsey Jacks
@linzjax
Feb 10 2016 19:46
Hi @jmwenda ! The differences are subtle, but the main difference has to do with the grid interaction during zooming and adding and removing columns. In the first option, the grid is completely independent of the map, in the second, the map reacts to the grid size, and the third is a combination of the two with the option to "lock the grid" which can be found in "Grid Layout".