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    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    create and renderThen: would fix that but the issue you raised in bigger
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    I know. We should first use the current release and collect ideas. as long as nobody has used the current release, nobody will udnerstand this chat.
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    hehe true
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    showDeferedDo: shows the intension at least a little better. showThen: yould also be interpreted like a navigation process...or what so ever,...
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    that's because you are not used to use enough js libraries!
    damn smalltalkers :D
    but it's okay we'll find a good one
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    I'll try to update my stuff tomorrow afternoon and then we will see. I am sure we will find some more spots to tweak and optimize. And for both will will find a good solution.
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    I'm sure of it
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    Amber brings the Smalltalk to the JS,... just have a look how much better the js lib app structuring got with the last release. Flow adds a lot of HTML tempalting and model change propagation to the mix. Now let's add rendeing/showing to it and we jsut need to focus an the beckend then :-D
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    Meteor did it well
    did you used it?
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    Only the one based on the old Seaside Comet if you mean this
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    no that's crap
    I mean Meteor Meteor
    the one that got freaking 11M in funding
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    no haven't used it
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    I'm removing the App from amber-flow it doesn't need any
    well meteor is pretty great
    Isomorphic APIs
    and MiniMongo on the frontend
    and it propagate changes "like magic" to backend and other clients
    the ws of flow are meant to help you to do the same
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    @HeSe amber-flow#0.3.16 is live
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    @sebastianconcept I installed flow and then amber-flow on top of it..... now App class is missing, since it is part of the amber-mvc package....
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    we need to add amber-mvc/deploy and remove the other amber-mvc entries to the deploy.json, right?
    Well, no that screws up the amber-mvc "grunt devel" process since the local.amd.json wont fit anymore... can once define two paths in one amd.json?
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    ah flow itself was not upgraded
    devel, deploy and grunt needs adjustment
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    that is why a configuration maps browser in VASmalltalk comes so handy :-D :-D :-D But nobody wants to use the most superior code repository any more.... it is so sad
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    heh
    I belieive you, but the ligua franca is javascript so world will have to rediscover the idea
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    @sebastianconcept I tried to bring APP.st to the amber-flow package, but somehow the App main start won't disply the page. even though the main.html is loaded.... I assume now the example.htmlk temaples are missing on this level since they are part of amber-mvc... on the other hand I feel like amber-flow needs it's own examples or maybe even just a link to the petshop?
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    wait a sec I'm upgrading
    I was in meeting, I'll finish in a bit
    The App form mvc should stay there, flow will have just a welcome
    later we can improve that
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    okay. No worries, I am all over the place right now.
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    @HeSe the new Amber does something with the globals I think and I need to upgrade how we access the ones from the libraries
    we need to use always require to get them
    Sebastian Heidbrink
    @HeSe
    well, I have some trouble, too.
    but on the nodejs server side
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    @/all we have a new guy making a try to flow :D
    everybody please welcome @fvozzi \o/
    I'm fixing the linux start scripts so flow can be completely linux friendly
    Sebastian Sastre
    @sebastianconcept
    @HeSe I have 3 ideas to implement on the legacy IDE that will make it more usable
    if they get done will make Helios cry :D
    and potentially us to kickass
    should be easy, a couple of shortcuts and drag and drop for methods on categories