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    avani-k
    @avani-k
    Hi, everyone! I am Avani, a Bioinformatics Systems Analyst at UCSC. I would like to contribute a tutorial in the form of a slide deck to the Galaxy Analyses Core Topics https://training.galaxyproject.org/training-material/topics/introduction/. This tutorial will introduce Galaxy users to Dockstore https://dockstore.org/. I currently have the slide deck ready to go on Google slides. What is the best way to convert it into the markdown format needed to push it on the GTN?
    ifubar (ross lazarus)
    @ifubar:matrix.org
    [m]
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    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
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    @mvdbeek:matrix.org it seems the font is very thin/light in the email you sent. Maybe in the future we could use a normal weight font there?
    Beatriz Serrano-Solano
    @beatrizserrano:matrix.org
    [m]
    can be because of copying from the Hub?
    not sure, but it doesn't look that bad in my thunderbird
    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
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    yeah definitely because of hub
    font-weight is set to 400 there
    (500 is the default) I'm guessing mine tried going all the way lighter
    Beatriz Serrano-Solano
    @beatrizserrano:matrix.org
    [m]
    maybe we should take this into consideration for the hub as well
    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
    [m]
    and somehow I see font-weight: 300 in the message source
    so it's getting quite low then
    (which looks fine/even better to mac users with retina displays, just sometimes hard for others to read)
    Nicola Soranzo
    @nsoranzo:matrix.org
    [m]
    @avani-k: The best place to ask this is probably https://gitter.im/Galaxy-Training-Network/Lobby
    avani-k
    @avani-k
    @nsoranzo:matrix.org Thank you so much, I will reach out there.
    Saskia Hiltemann
    @shiltemann:matrix.org
    [m]

    Hi All! We're starting to plan the next Smorgasbord event, I've created a poll in the instructors channel of GTN Slack for different weeks in March, to get an idea of everybody's preferences. Please let us know if you know of any big events happening in March that we should avoid clashing with.

    Also, we would love some help on the organisational side of this, so we might ask for help from this group

    We picked March so that we can aim to have a nice spread of events; Smorgasbord, GCC, Admin training, offset at 4 months (March, July, November)

    Beatriz Serrano-Solano
    @beatrizserrano:matrix.org
    [m]
    and I think there will be EOSC-Life big meeting on 22-23 March
    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
    [m]
    wow week long single cell
    Hope Wendi can re-use some things for both 😅
    thanks for the heads up!
    Saskia Hiltemann
    @shiltemann:matrix.org
    [m]
    ok, that's Wendi, wondering if she was planning to do async anyway, then we can colocate no worries
    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
    [m]
    And Mehmet!
    (fixed the capitalised the A in outreach since it bugged me)
    Nick Stoler
    @NickSto
    OutReAcH!
    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
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    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
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    https://github.com/galaxyproject/galaxy/issues/4005#issuecomment-972534537 Assunta DeSanto again doing absolutely amazing work that's fixing so many painpoints for us! Uploaded URLs will now just use the path component, this'll make a lot of training/outreach things easier!
    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
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    https://hackmd.io/J8km_DwbTg2QzUkv4ijCmw#1-Making-Galaxy-known If other GOATs have ideas for "How to make galaxy known" it could be good to comment them here on Anton's plan for the future. Training is a notable exception I've commented on, but maybe others want to share something as well. I'm a bit surprised that training and interacting with communities isn't part of the vision for making it known, and instead papers are the focus. But maybe this "make it known" is "make it known to funding agencies"
    Beatriz Serrano-Solano
    @beatrizserrano:matrix.org
    [m]
    I think that the focus of this doc is more on "new things to have" rather than existing ones that are working well. It is obvious to everyone that training efforts are exceptional, so nothing to be worried about
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    as for the papers: there's a large part of the scientific community that only believes what's in a peer reviewed article, we need to reach those that are not reachable other than with papers. I guess it's important for funding agencies too, but I don't think this is our primary goal
    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
    [m]
    It's less an existing one that works well, and instead one that sorely needs improvements in precisely these areas. We don't offer training on a lot of the cool features that Galaxy has because none of us have knowledge about them to write them. I read the dev notes and try but still I cannot write training in a lot of the new features because I don't know the use case it was developed for
    Maybe it just means that each paper could be coupled with training materials? Otherwise I think only people who read papers, and not the students learning to use galaxy, will learn about them.
    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
    [m]

    And lastly since it's a strictly volunteer community with materials mostly from volunteers. Unlike dev/admin/support no one is paid to manage and improve the materials, so maybe it's just me wanting them to allocate us a small slice of the pie in their future plans to help us know we're a valued part of that outreach?

    But I know the pie is sliced very thin amongst all of the involved groups so that can be hard to do, especially if they can't hire people even when they have money, so decreasing dev time is a hard sell.

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    But maybe it's somewhere we can work together, by combining papers+tutorials, especially since we've discussed papers from tutorials, it could kill two birds if people contributed the tutorials and we contributed the pipeline for papers from that?
    Beatriz Serrano-Solano
    @beatrizserrano:matrix.org
    [m]
    the papers from tutorials I think was mentioned at some point
    but the papers in the 2-years plan are more general ones of Galaxy features that are in production, no?
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    ah I see what you mean
    Beatriz Serrano-Solano
    @beatrizserrano:matrix.org
    [m]
    we could add this, but as you said, hiring is an issue and we need to pay attention to the workload/commitments
    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
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    yeah, indeed (hence the maybe kinda sorta idea of what if we split into devs writing tutorials and us working on getting those into papers for them, so it ticks their paper box and our tutorials box.)
    bgruening
    @bgruening:matrix.org
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    should have this and seek twitter posts from the community?
    Is that producing less or more work for Bea and Dave?
    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
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    Nice find bgruening ! I'll probably set that up for gxytraining Twitter, maybe I can get it connected with our new matrix bit as well.
    Björn Grüning
    @bgruening
    :-)
    ifubar (ross lazarus)
    @ifubar:matrix.org
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    @AnnaSyme: Support for writing training material is rare, let alone keeping it updated - as the resource grows, ultimately updating it will consume all spare energy. There has to be a grant somewhere for someone - given how well established the GTN infrastructure and community have become.
    Only other suggestion is to try to encourage software development grant writers to budget for writing and updating training material - even though it's obviously an essential part of getting users to actually use any software project deliverables, the funders don't seem very keen to pony up.
    Anna Syme
    @AnnaSyme
    @ifubar:matrix.org yeah it's a tricky one. I guess it seems like there is big money for life science training (globally - not talking specifically the Galaxy project here), and big demand from researchers, but the money doesn't often travel through the random forest to end up on a person being paid a salary for writing training. I might have mixed my metaphors. And especially for training that is not just tool-specific, but concept (e.g. how do I compare these genomes, etc.)
    @ifubar:matrix.org but I'm not sure if keeping material updated is as big of a problem as we think. Because with new sequencing tech, new tools, and new computational resources, most material will be out of date maybe in a few years - and that's ok - we can just write new stuff.
    Anna Syme
    @AnnaSyme
    (time and money pending of course!)
    Helena Rasche
    @hexylena:matrix.org
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    https://elixirtess.github.io/TeSS_widgets/ maybe useful for us re: embedding event lists in other websites.
    Cristóbal Gallardo
    @gallardoalba:matrix.org
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