gantry/gantry5

Next Generation Theme Framework <http://gantry.org>

dmleeman

@dmleeman

@Mohika I too have had issues with Litespeed but with Joomla - I'm not a Wordpress fan so can't answer for that - but, the issues were with the Litespeed plugin or a combination of minifying code via CDN and or other plugin (JCH Optimize). I did get some support with Litespeed via their forum but tbh my money would be on the Litespeed plugin being a contender for the issue. Or some combination of arbitrary compression that results in duff code.
WP is not 'perfect', Litespeed is not 'perfect', Gantry is not 'perfect' but each provides a solution that works well within a set of ever growing parameters and layers of complexity. No doubt there will arrive point at which the combination will fail.
It is not reasonable to expect the most verbose and open developer to answer all issues given the highly variable nature of hosting platforms, PHP updates, CMS updates, plugin combinations/quality...
Your point that 'it worked before' is probably one of the most common support questions asked or demanded, and there is a confusing sort of logic to your quibble, but, if the site works without the plugin enabled does this not suggest that some issue, however small, resides in that plugin?

Mohika

@Mohika

@dmleeman It's not arbitrary or random happens on any website with the latest Gantry 5 update, reverting it back to the old plugin version fixes the issue.

Mohika

@Mohika

Anyhow.. I follow what is going on here for years.. there is no "most verbose and open developer" here anymore... G5 is dying for sure and getting outdated. sad story.. it was the best thing out there

Mohika

@Mohika

... and that is my " quibble" ... logic behind it ... well years of developing websites on G5 and G4... pixel perfect from the design made by graphic designers in AI or PSD ... with any function you can imagine needed for the website. G5 has not progressed much in the last years, not enough that is... I saw chat here getting quiet and then more quiet... before @mahagr there was a common thing that Gantry developer comes to the backend of your site and investigates the issue. This guy .. well he is most likely to hide the issue.

Mohika

@Mohika

Also one thing more .. putting Grav and Joomla in front of WordPress is also a big mistake.. WordPress is the platform for a full 41.0% of the top 10 million most visited websites in the world. Among websites that do use a CMS, WordPress holds a full 64.7% of market share compared to Joomlas 3.3% ... and the most important thing to notice is that Gantry brought to WordPress more improvement than to Joomla.

dmleeman

@dmleeman

@Mohika You seem content with your absolute opinions so I shall feel free to differ and move on

Mohika

@Mohika

I am not content at all.. my option.. well moving on as well.. from g5 to custom-made... as many others did... my fault I stuck with it ..

Michael Koontz

@N8Solutions

@Mohika I understand your frustration. I use a minimizer on my Joomla sites and once in a while I find some JS, that when minimized, simply breaks. Luckily, the extension I use allows me to tell it not to minimize a specific script(s) so the functionality doesn’t get broken. As of right now, the only JS I have to exclude is for Google’s reCaptcha.

I would highly suggest you do 2 things.
1) contact litespeed and discuss this with them.
2) try another minimizer and see if the same thing happens but to make sure its not using litespeed.

Mohika

@Mohika

@N8Solutions This has nothing to do with the caching plugin. As it happens with the G5 update and suddenly disappears if you revert back to the old version. Then you just add a code snippet to the functions.php file which disables G5 update notifications in WordPress. My frustration is not this issue but more than 3 years of g5 stagnation, I believe they had lost it.. I really and thrully hope they prove me wrong.

Michael Koontz

@N8Solutions

@Mohika A possibility you haven’t considered is that gantry, during the update, fixed some code so that it is now written properly and the minimizer is incapable of minimizing it correctly. That is why I suggested for you to try a different plugin to see if it makes a difference.

Mohika

@Mohika

The different plugin is not the option. We use the Litespeed server and the plugin from the same developer. Tons of reasons why even though the latest version of the WP plugin has issues that most people are still on an old one. But even like that compared to all others Litespeed is by far the most advanced one and produces the best results. I was able to get out of my sites up to 98% on mobile on a Google Lighthouse speed check. And that is what matters the most today SEO vise ... SPEED!

Mohika

@Mohika

But in the end, I am sure I will find my way around all of this ... What however defeats me is that I was for years saying to other developers.. just use Gantry and Visual Composer and see how easy and fast development is of a custom design template... and I can see and I am sure you all see it as well .. or even think its a done deal... is that Gantry is loosing it... that I will need to move on .. probably to my custom made if nothing else as good is out there.. and why .. well nothing got done with it for years now

dmleeman

@dmleeman

@Mohika These look like stress posts...and I've been there...
may I ask, is the site issue you're having just down to this Litespeed/Gantry issue? In other words, if the litespeed plugin worked as you want/expect, would that solve your issue?

Mohika

@Mohika

Litespeed works as I expect. It's not an Litespeed issue.

dmleeman

@dmleeman

So, if you enable the plugin that makes use of the Litespeed server capability, is that when you get the error?

Mohika

@Mohika

I will just manually remove (probably by using the resources control plugin) the part of gantry JS that causes the issue.

No, @dmleeman the error happens when I minify the JS.

dmleeman

@dmleeman

Yes, I agree with your methodology, a step by step approach...often crushingly frustrating but, it may be key to solving something that has been missed

ok, so what method is being used to minify the js? are you also collating all of the scripts into one file?

Are you in a position to take a copy of th site and dump it on a dev server so you can sandbox your changes?

I think that you 'think fast' and answers normally appear to you almost instinctively? So you are frustrated that a known pattern is yielding different results perhaps?

Mohika

@Mohika

JS Minify - Extra white space characters, new line characters, and comments are stripped from all JS. - It brakes here

I also use:

JS Combine External and Inline - include external JavaScript and inline JavaScript in the combined file
JS HTTP/2 Push - JS will be sent to the browser before it is requested.
Load JS Deferred - Both the Deferred and Delayed options hold all JavaScript processing until after the HTML is finished loading.
Load Inline JS - Loading inline JS after DOM

dmleeman

@dmleeman

ok this is useful, there is a lot going on there, but...you've had it working before, so I get where you're coming from.
I'm pushed for time right now, but will come back to this post later on.
In the meantime, I would sandbox it by taking a copy to another server (litespeed capable of course)

Mohika

@Mohika

I can exclude a specific JS from being minified so I will let you know what it was...

dmleeman

@dmleeman

Good start, I've had similar issues when using Litespeed and minimizers/collaters.

Michael Koontz

@N8Solutions

@Mohika Does the extension you use have the ability for you to exclude a JS script from being minimized? If it does, you should try excluding the scripts from being minimized that you believe are causing the problem to see if that solves the error. Once you identify the script then we can attempt to identify any problems that are in the script.

I know it’s frustrating to have to go through this but it’s something that I have done, and I’m sure others have too, quite often when troubleshooting minifications on a site.

Mohika

@Mohika

@N8Solutions Yup, just sad I will do it...

Michael Koontz

@N8Solutions

@Mohika Ok, you just answered my question. I look forward to hearing your results.

dmleeman

@dmleeman

Yes, in Joomla the dominant method is JCH Optimize, also available for WP I believe

Mohika

@Mohika

Its not that whats frustrating .. but hiding issues under the carpet ... like the menu issue in G5 and some others

dmleeman

@dmleeman

I've got to go...meeting... but will catch up later

Mohika

@Mohika

cheers :)

oxido21

@oxido21

Joomla 3.10.4, gantry 5.5.7
I add this class to Module class suffix: "mobile-filter-style", and in front end, this get duplicated, is this normal?
https://i.imgur.com/6w9ZpqO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kfYEXHQ.jpg

Michael Koontz

@N8Solutions

@oxido21 This is a Joomla thing, completely unrelated to Gantry. I don’t remember exactly why this happens though. Try placing a space in front of the "class” to see if it makes a difference. I say this because notice how some of them say custommobile. There should be a space there. Adding a leading space may make the difference.

oxido21

@oxido21

I know that i need to put a space there to have "custom my-class", but my problem is why I get that class in other 3 places

dmleeman

@dmleeman

Hi, Joomla 4/Gantry 5.5.7 question. From which file do I call in a FA5 icon via CSS if I want to use it as a background?
I'm looking for right caret and down caret
have tried using a foreground content: '\f0da'; in a pseudo :before but no luck

Michael Koontz

@N8Solutions

@oxido21 Like I said, its a Joomla thing.

dmleeman

@dmleeman

@dmleeman fixed

content: "\f0da";
font-weight: 900;
font-family: 'Font Awesome 5 Free';

Praveen Thomas

@p3core

Hello,

My Joomla website is http://nexia.live but I'm getting the below error...
--------------- Failed to load 'g5_helium' template: mkdir(): Permission denied
My Hosting is Windows Hosting...
My administrator section or http://nexia.live/administrator is working properly...
My website root is getting an error...
Can somebody please help to resolve this error...

Thank you in advance...

Regards,

Praveen Thomas

dmleeman

@dmleeman

I have a Joomla 3.10.x based site running Gantry 5.5.x and need to know how to alter the order in which component and module based javascripts are loaded into the head?
I have a search module that insists on presenting its script ahead of a required jquery script.

@p3core Hi, this seems on first impressions to be a permissions issue that the hosting support may be able to help with. Having said that I've never run Joomla on Windows Hosting...but I have encountered permissions problems with Windows Hosting years ago. It was such pain n the a** I never bothered using it again

Šv. Benedikto vienuolynas

@Palendriai_twitter

hi there!

is it possible to ask a question? Using wordpress here

Praveen Thomas

@p3core

@dmleeman

Thanks a lot for your reply...
I love Windows Hosing and that's why I purchased it...
I already spoke to Hosting Support but they're saying that I must contact Joomla Support for this issue...
So I don't know what to do...
I think PHP websites run equally well in Linux and Windows hosting...
Anyway please do provide your views...

Thank you

Šv. Benedikto vienuolynas

@Palendriai_twitter

I have a question about Outlines and style overrides. The base outline is the top outline for the whole site. I understand changing something on a different that affects only what posts/pages use that outline. But what if you want to remove the override?
Like for styles. Changing the the style on the base outline changes it for the entire site. But what if you accidentally (like I did) change the style on the Home outline (WordPress). How do you undo the override so that the Home outline will change in sync (so to speak) when changing the Base Outline?

Austregecilio Cruz Neto

@austre

Hi Everyone, how to fix this error:
Error: Stream '\Rockettheme\Toolbox\StreamWrapper\Stream' could not be initialized.: Stream '\Rockettheme\Toolbox\StreamWrapper\Stream' could not be initialized.

dmleeman

@dmleeman

@p3core Hi, please note that Windows hosting is far from my strong point but a Google search on the issue landed me at this url, which may be useful:
https://serverfault.com/questions/382112/php-mkdir-and-move-uploaded-file-permission-denied-with-777

Matias Griese

@mahagr

@austre hmm, i've never seen this issue before

Austregecilio Cruz Neto

@austre

@mahagr so sad T_T
i'm trying a lot of things here, no clues yet

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