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    salotz
    @salotz
    @belmarca yes I saw that. But the only links I saw are to old google code repos
    Marc-André Bélanger
    @belmarca
    @salotz search for the Gambit @ 30 meeting slides and videos
    some work was presented in october
    salotz
    @salotz
    @belmarca awesome thanks. searching "gambit" wasn't doing it
    Marc-André Bélanger
    @belmarca
    wait a sec
    https://github.com/gambit/gambit-at-30
    that's what you want
    salotz
    @salotz
    ya I found that
    I like how git repos are just web pages now
    Marc-André Bélanger
    @belmarca
    and lots of sites are now git repos ;)
    with netlify and others
    makes rollback and previews so much easier...
    Drew Crampsie
    @drewc
    The original Web Browser (on NeXT FFS) had every single thing as what we now call ContentEditable.
    The entire web as a Wiki!
    We're moving back that way.
    salotz
    @salotz
    and that content was postscript lolol
    Drew Crampsie
    @drewc
    web page + .git + tranform to org + edit + browse = my dream. The browser is the editor (which is Gleo's main UI).
    Marc-André Bélanger
    @belmarca
    well I'm rebuilding my employers website using gerbil to generate a static html site
    salotz
    @salotz
    now we need the fun stuff like graphics
    Marc-André Bélanger
    @belmarca
    it's a far cry from the level of integration you are talking about
    but sxml + some functions works like a charm
    I'd rather invest in Gerbil than learning a fancy CMS
    which I don't need
    Drew Crampsie
    @drewc
    I've used CL to generate a static site (CHTML or CXML or some such thing), so both totally get it and would do the same thing.
    Marc-André Bélanger
    @belmarca
    the hard part is the design, always, imo
    html without CSS isn't very appealing to most people
    I like plain text but try to sell that to most users
    Drew Crampsie
    @drewc
    Yup, agreed. I'm quite skilled at that (and bootstrap helps lol), but at the same time any commercial app I've worked on has a graphic designer involved.
    salotz
    @salotz
    thats why you need a good meta system for doing CSSish stuff
    Drew Crampsie
    @drewc
    I have not used photoshop in over 20 years, but they know how to present me with shiny images!
    Marc-André Bélanger
    @belmarca
    @drewc doing something original is hard. custom, from scratch CSS takes time and skill
    salotz
    @salotz
    it took don knuth and leslie lamport to make latex, so yes layout is incredibly hard
    Marc-André Bélanger
    @belmarca
    :laughing:
    "How long do you think it would take you to build this thing?"
    "On a scale of 1 to Lamport, I would say one Lamport."
    "What does that mean?"
    "I won't do it."
    Drew Crampsie
    @drewc
    @belmarca agreed. That's another one of the big reasons clients like me on their team. Give me a photo, and I'll have it working from lynx through WebApp though Safari and Chrome
    But ask me to design such a thing? nononononono, not going to happen.
    salotz
    @salotz
    well if gerbil gets a minKanren implementation and some constraint solvers...
    vyzo
    @vyzo
    we can add something like that
    re: actors, check out the :std/actor library
    there are some examples in the tutorial and the guide
    but documentation is missing from the reference
    need to write that at some point
    salotz
    @salotz
    also I though the adapton project was pretty cool too https://github.com/fisherdj/miniAdapton
    Lucas Sampaio
    @lsmag

    hi folks I hope I'm in the right place to ask a question. A few days ago I created an issue regarding compilation problems in a debian sid based container. It works well now, but the container-based executable has a dependency on libgambit.so.4 that doesn't happen when I compile the same code on my host machine.

    Compile on container -> only runnable on container itself
    Compile on host -> can run on host and on container (which I suppose is the correct behavior)

    Now I'm not sure if my expectations are wrong, my container environment is messed up or if I'm missing something else altogether. Last time I dealt with shared libraries was on college, a solid 8 years ago, so it might be that I just forgot to tweak something... can someone help me understand this?

    I've put the steps here, it just tries to compile hello.ss from the documentation: https://gist.github.com/lsmag/aeb520908cc16d475072741bcc9d21e6

    thanks in advance :pray:

    vyzo
    @vyzo
    this has to do with how gambit is compiled
    if it is with --enabled-shared, then there is a dependency on libgambit
    otherwise there is no dependency
    Lucas Sampaio
    @lsmag
    oh, that explains why your own Dockerfile compiled gambit itself. Thanks for the help :)
    Lucas Sampaio
    @lsmag
    this actually fixed the previous Dockerfile I had with alpine, too. It's fairly small now, if anyone happens to be interested
    ober @ober waves