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    vyzo
    @vyzo
    and extremely easy to write new ones -- just pass a function that uses yield
    and it will be used as a coroutine
    iterators are consumed by for and friends
    you can also manually consume if you want of course
    junkerjoe
    @junkerjoe
    sweet
    if i wanted to write a web application and use gerbil as my backend language, could i use apache httpd as my webserver
    junkerjoe
    @junkerjoe
    or do we typically use https://cons.io/reference/httpd.html instead
    vyzo
    @vyzo
    yeah, that's the one
    typically you put nginx in front to handle ssl
    drewc @drewc is still trying to deal with the fact that "streams" are not "streams", "ports" are. Lisp has very different terms than Scheme :P
    Jaime Fournier
    @ober
    mod_libgerbil.so
    :ponderous
    François-René Rideau
    @fare
    @vyzo 1. can you review #579
    1 reply
    1. if I want to build libp2p on Nix, where should I start? go-libp2p ?
    6 replies
    Drew Crampsie
    @drewc
    @ober I tried mod_lisp back in the day. FCGI as well. Then decided that proxies were the best. It's like being a decade or two ahead on the mainstream when in comes to the interwebs lol
    drewc @drewc supposes that being a developer for the WebHosting.com platform helped a wee bit there .... two decades ago :)
    Drew Crampsie
    @drewc
    Our front-end was php3 which I transitioned to php4. Our middleware was mostly perl... many many versions of that sh@tty language. With a wee bit of C thrown in for good measure. I also helped with the transition from MySQL to PostgreSQL and (Solaris/AIX/*BSD/etc)->Linux ... a few years ahead, not a few decades, but those 90's and early naughts were fun! Survived the .com boom, left the commercial scene after 9/11, and found Lisp in '04.
    Professional Web Developer since '95!
    drewc @drewc is done with history now ... had some sweet coffee this morning and needed to calm his brain down before moving back to gx-quasar: Full on Javascript Gerbil :P
    Jason Felice
    @eraserhd
    I think I remember mod_lisp... sbcl?
    Yeah those were the days... "I want to make a web app. Should we use PHP or C?"
    I found Scheme in 2001 or 2002. I competed in the ICFP 2001, and used C++, not knowing any functional languages. Had my butt handed to me by the OCaml people, and I got really interested in how all sorts of languages worked. Then found Scheme.
    Drew Crampsie
    @drewc
    @eraserhd I used it first on CMUCL, then SBCL. IIRC it was basically a socket->repl thing that basically was a CGI-like without the OS in the way.... and without proper multiprocessing, again IIRC.
    Although I know a few functional languages, OCaml included, I never really liked that "approach". Having said that, Lisp/Scheme is "any paradigm you can come up with and then some", so use "functional" all the time .. along with iterative ... and loads of side effects .... and OO. I like things that way :)
    Jason Felice
    @eraserhd
    I'm really heavy on the functional... Clojure slapped me upside the head and made me realized it can actually be practical. I always tried to make things "functional" in Java and C++ in order to get confidence with unit tests.
    It isn't quite practical in Scheme to do that. The "code is data" is a big motivator there, still.
    In Gerbil and Scheme, I tend to make pure functions that mutate internally (as an implementation detail).
    Mostly owing to not having all the nice immutable data structures yet.
    In Ruby and Python, I go full OO. In C++, value objects and functional. I'm weird I guess.
    In, C, I try to avoid OO, until I can't, then rewrite the whole thing with foo_new() and foo_destroy() fns. :D
    Marc-André Bélanger
    @belmarca
    @eraserhd I too end up using foo_new/destroy quickly even for toy programs
    Jason Felice
    @eraserhd
    I keep hoping to write a little C file that I can drop into my zero-dependency C projects that has a GC and something like cheney-on-the-MTA so I can do functional-style, but I'm not even sure if that's possible.
    I guess the continuation thing isn't really doable in C without syntactic lambdas, or some weird trick to turn a goto label into a function pointer.
    Marc-André Bélanger
    @belmarca
    there's http://libcello.org/
    junkerjoe
    @junkerjoe
    Since Coq can output Scheme now, I wonder if we will ever get Coq->Gerbil and safe Gerbil->C/JS/Python/ASM for free from that.
    Jason Felice
    @eraserhd
    belmarca: libcello seems interesting... not quite right, and seems to require gcc, but very interesting.
    François-René Rideau
    @fare
    @vyzo do you understand what's going wrong with my openssl patch #579 ?
    vyzo
    @vyzo
    maybe the travis container isn't right?
    like it's missing libcrypto or something like that
    François-René Rideau
    @fare
    :hamster: Gerbil Scheme
    ♞ Gambit Scheme
    François-René Rideau
    @fare
    it used to work, so maybe it's an old libcrypto, or maybe I'm missing some flag somewhere.
    François-René Rideau
    @fare
    looks like it's missing -lcrypto somehow
    Drew Crampsie
    @drewc
    A hamster is not a gerbil ... and I know of very very few gambits that gambit a knight! :P
    drewc @drewc gambits all the time, but 99% of it is a pawn for position.
    Drew Crampsie
    @drewc
    Good morning :)
    François-René Rideau
    @fare
    @vyzo is compile-static-exe supposed to include -lcrypto by itself, or is the user supposed to add it when needed?
    (that's I believe the step that's failing in my crypto-test.ss)
    vyzo
    @vyzo
    you need to pass it yourself
    it's not included by default
    that's something we can prehaps improve in the build system