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    sonjanyc
    @sonjanyc
    Let me know what you think.
    Overall I realized that we really need to think through how "Bulk Edit" should work. Should it mean that the edit action effects all images selected for bulk edit. Or that a user can edit a bunch of images in a row... Also with the three panels when it comes to creating a gallery. It might be tough to give the user an option to then edit an individual image that was selected for a gallery in the flow. Just a few thoughts that came up while creating these.
    I'll be traveling back to NY next week Friday, so I will be on a plane during the call. If you guys want to move it to Thursday let me know, otherwise I'll miss another one, but after that I'm back at my usual routine.
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    Meeting is still going ahead as planned today. Let's use it as a catch up for where we are and where we want to go next
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    Meeting notes: @mor10 and @PabloPerea can you let me know if I've missed anything
    There's a proposal to move the meeting next week to Thursday so Sonia and I can attend
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    I’m a bad person and missed this one! Glad it fell thorugh again tho :-/ Thursday is fine for me!
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    Boren has suggested that everyone try the gallery flow on a mobile device
    Ha! you're here :)
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    Phone and tablet. Every one you own. Steal from the kids if necessary.
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    I'll do fresh visual records for creating a captioned gallery with edited images on iPhone 5, Nexus 5, iPad air, and Macnchrome soon. They'll land on make/flow.
    And I'll do them regularly during the 4.1 cycle to help encourage not constantly trashing mobile during dev.
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    Creating a visual record is a good way to exercise gallery and modal flow. Screenshot a flow on your phone and then attempt creating a visual record gallery on make/flow, also from your phone. And again for tablet and desktop. You'll have a new appreciation for what users must endure, and this is after 4.0 fixed some outrageously bad stuff. make/flow publishing privs are available to any here who want it.
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    Just came across this via an article on Wired: http://www.invisionapp.com
    Might be worth investigating
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    Working on a make/flow post showing the image editor as it appears in four different flows, on four different devices.
    Only two of the four devices done, but there's the flavor.
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    Checking my flows against the existing flows chart. The chart has the route through media-new, which I don't have. media-new leads to the attachment editor, which I have as accessible through edit more details in the grid view attachment details modal. It's also accessible through the media lib list view, which I wished used the attachment details modal.
    edward wisniewski
    @edwerd
    I'll need to miss the meeting again due to client conflict. I'll be back in action the following week.
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    So, did we move the meeting to Thursday this week?
    I’m fine with it and don’t mind!
    @ryanboren I had a quick look at your mobile views. Indeed some stuff doesn’t render well at all. Tho, I was wondering if the focus on mobile use shouldn’t be on the accesibilty via the dedicated app, rather than the browser usability. I agree that responsiveness for mobile browsers is important, but first of all, regular users would use the app, right?
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    and yes, the editing with sfari mobile on iphone5 in portrait doesnt work at all
    same goes for landscape mode...
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    The apps are not good, and WordPress should be a champion for the mobile web.
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    I've not heard back from people about the meeting tomorrow so I'm going to assume that that we're not going ahead with it. Next week instead
    PabloPerea
    @PabloPerea
    Next week then. Tomorrow's meeting would overlap a matter of work that I haven't been able to change.
    sonjanyc
    @sonjanyc
    Sounds good to me, talk to you all next week!
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    @ryanboren I agree that the apps are not good, but what’s the app teams take on that? Don’t get me wrong, but from big guys like facebook and google it is mostly that they mimic the apps interface in their mobile version, rather than trying to squeeze the desktop interface into the mobile browser size. Therefore I believe ultimately the WP App needs to mimic the mobile interface, which means the app team should be considered in all responsive topics?
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    @sonjanyc I like your wireframes. Especially this multiselect to create a gallery. I had the same thing in mind, as currently there are unnecessary extra steps involved, where it could just be done from the main media gallery!
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    @kLOsk I talked to some of the apps team today. Alas, I didn't come away with anything definite. There is still uncertainty. From what I've read and heard so far, the apps will continue as they are for some time, focusing on fixing bugs and bringing feature parity. The apps will, for the foreseeable now, use the UI conventions common to their respective platforms (hamburger on Android, bottom button bar on iOS). I'll encourage some information sharing on make/mobile.
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    @ryanboren thanks. I understand and have to agree now that we should deliver a top notch mobile experience then. It’s a bit of a shame to be honest, that Automattic is not jumping on the app train and taking the lead here… Wouldn’t be bad for wp.com / VIP neither...
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    @smckeown how about hipchat as an alternative to gitter, if we still have to switch: https://www.hipchat.com/
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    I'll be documenting mobile and media UX issues on make/flow. Kicking things off with the top left of the logged in front page. Images and media to come. https://make.wordpress.org/flow/2014/09/30/toolbar-menus-on-touch-devices-nexus-5-4-1-alpha-20140930/
    teamAris
    @teamAris
    Thanks for all the research @ryanboren, looks like a mess, but great to start having a sense of the scope. I've updated my wireframes with some notes and a slightly more detailed walk through of editing some images. I also like what @sonjanyc did with the contextual actions - seems like a winner. The accordion on the right in my set is based on similar ideas.
    Are we meeting on Thursday? Or Friday?
    teamAris
    @teamAris
    Is the meeting today?
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    mhm I guess not...
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    Friday as usual
    Morten Rand-Hendriksen
    @mor10
    I've added some preliminary hand drawn wireframes of the mobile process to my wire frames folder. Inspired by image editing on Android and the current process in WordPress.
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    Looks like a good start. The way the menu overlaps the image in the editing window is awful
    Today's agenda:
    1. Brief catch-up
    2. Review of mobile experience
    3. Tickets to open on trac
    4. Creating the feature-plugin on Github
    5. Thinking about a modal-free workflow (image editing in the editor)
    1. WCSF
    ugh
    Gitter changed that from 6. to 1. :(
    @kLOsk hipchat isn't an option right now. We're looking into other options. Let's stick to Gitter until we have something definitive from the project