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    edward wisniewski
    @edwerd
    I'll need to miss the meeting again due to client conflict. I'll be back in action the following week.
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    So, did we move the meeting to Thursday this week?
    I’m fine with it and don’t mind!
    @ryanboren I had a quick look at your mobile views. Indeed some stuff doesn’t render well at all. Tho, I was wondering if the focus on mobile use shouldn’t be on the accesibilty via the dedicated app, rather than the browser usability. I agree that responsiveness for mobile browsers is important, but first of all, regular users would use the app, right?
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    and yes, the editing with sfari mobile on iphone5 in portrait doesnt work at all
    same goes for landscape mode...
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    The apps are not good, and WordPress should be a champion for the mobile web.
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    I've not heard back from people about the meeting tomorrow so I'm going to assume that that we're not going ahead with it. Next week instead
    PabloPerea
    @PabloPerea
    Next week then. Tomorrow's meeting would overlap a matter of work that I haven't been able to change.
    sonjanyc
    @sonjanyc
    Sounds good to me, talk to you all next week!
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    @ryanboren I agree that the apps are not good, but what’s the app teams take on that? Don’t get me wrong, but from big guys like facebook and google it is mostly that they mimic the apps interface in their mobile version, rather than trying to squeeze the desktop interface into the mobile browser size. Therefore I believe ultimately the WP App needs to mimic the mobile interface, which means the app team should be considered in all responsive topics?
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    @sonjanyc I like your wireframes. Especially this multiselect to create a gallery. I had the same thing in mind, as currently there are unnecessary extra steps involved, where it could just be done from the main media gallery!
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    @kLOsk I talked to some of the apps team today. Alas, I didn't come away with anything definite. There is still uncertainty. From what I've read and heard so far, the apps will continue as they are for some time, focusing on fixing bugs and bringing feature parity. The apps will, for the foreseeable now, use the UI conventions common to their respective platforms (hamburger on Android, bottom button bar on iOS). I'll encourage some information sharing on make/mobile.
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    @ryanboren thanks. I understand and have to agree now that we should deliver a top notch mobile experience then. It’s a bit of a shame to be honest, that Automattic is not jumping on the app train and taking the lead here… Wouldn’t be bad for wp.com / VIP neither...
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    @smckeown how about hipchat as an alternative to gitter, if we still have to switch: https://www.hipchat.com/
    Ryan Boren
    @ryanboren
    I'll be documenting mobile and media UX issues on make/flow. Kicking things off with the top left of the logged in front page. Images and media to come. https://make.wordpress.org/flow/2014/09/30/toolbar-menus-on-touch-devices-nexus-5-4-1-alpha-20140930/
    teamAris
    @teamAris
    Thanks for all the research @ryanboren, looks like a mess, but great to start having a sense of the scope. I've updated my wireframes with some notes and a slightly more detailed walk through of editing some images. I also like what @sonjanyc did with the contextual actions - seems like a winner. The accordion on the right in my set is based on similar ideas.
    Are we meeting on Thursday? Or Friday?
    teamAris
    @teamAris
    Is the meeting today?
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    mhm I guess not...
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    Friday as usual
    Morten Rand-Hendriksen
    @mor10
    I've added some preliminary hand drawn wireframes of the mobile process to my wire frames folder. Inspired by image editing on Android and the current process in WordPress.
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    Looks like a good start. The way the menu overlaps the image in the editing window is awful
    Today's agenda:
    1. Brief catch-up
    2. Review of mobile experience
    3. Tickets to open on trac
    4. Creating the feature-plugin on Github
    5. Thinking about a modal-free workflow (image editing in the editor)
    1. WCSF
    ugh
    Gitter changed that from 6. to 1. :(
    @kLOsk hipchat isn't an option right now. We're looking into other options. Let's stick to Gitter until we have something definitive from the project
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    ok
    Mike Schroder
    @getsource
    I paid in the meantime to keep our logs
    sonjanyc
    @sonjanyc
    Thanks for the link Siobhan. Talk to you all in a few.
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    mhm does the link work for you guys?
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    Let me send again
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    ah took a while
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    Thanks everyone!
    let me know if I missed anything
    Daniel Klose
    @kLOsk
    Thanks!
    mhm in this interview scott bolinger states 80% of mobile use is done via dedicated apps :-/
    teamAris
    @teamAris
    @kLOsk good find! certainly useful to know.
    teamAris
    @teamAris
    Though I think he is giving an overall stat, not something WP specific.
    teamAris
    @teamAris
    @mor10 @sonjanyc @PabloPerea @smckeown and anyone else who wants to sit in. When shall we go over wireframes? I am pretty booked tomorrow, but fairly open for the rest of the week. I am in PST, what's good?
    sonjanyc
    @sonjanyc
    I'm pretty booked Wednesday, but wide open Thursday. I'm in EST. Any time is good for me. Who else wants to participate?
    Siobhan McKeown
    @smckeown
    I'm out all day Thursday but I don't think you guys need me there
    Morten Rand-Hendriksen
    @mor10
    I am available Thursday and would love to participate.
    teamAris
    @teamAris
    Shall we shoot for early (PST) on Thursday? I am available until 10:30a. 8a PST work for everyone else?
    sonjanyc
    @sonjanyc
    That would work for me (=11am EST). Where do we want to do it? Hangout?