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@niemerg_twitter
well, i would put bitcoin in its own weird class. In any event, as best as I understand it, most of the developers today are working for companies that have taken investment dollars, received academic support, etc.
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
but I understand where you're coming from, and if we could deploy money to get a good Schnorr spec and implementation, or to fund Merope on the MMR, there wouldn't be much hesitation from me
Lucifer1903
@Lucifer1903
But do you really want a coin that has a central point of failure?
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@niemerg_twitter
well, i'm not convinced that paying developers creates a central point of failure
Lucifer1903
@Lucifer1903
Maybe not in all cases
But ethereum for example, that guy got everyone to roll back the blockchain because him and his buddies lost money
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
depends a lot on how you do it, Zcash seems like an example where there may be some centralization risks, on the other end Ethereum was very good at attracting developers from a lot of different places and those people continued through
I wouldn't go in the DAO, this was a fairly complex issue from all sorts of reasons
Lucifer1903
@Lucifer1903
I guess zcash is a better example
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
and ETC came out of it, which is a great example of decentralization
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@niemerg_twitter
yeah, and the fork was very popular with the community! i mean, we have a lot of ETC to show that absolute immutability is not the core concern of cryptocurrency communities
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
"plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery" :smile:
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@niemerg_twitter
regarding Zcash centralization risks. I would agree with the idea that it is currently pretty centralized. But I am optimistic about the long-term there.
I don't think, for example, a government could get them to break the anonymity that it provides. I think that's much less likely than them breaking the crypto by accident.
Lucifer1903
@Lucifer1903
I guess I have my doubts with zcash because power is very hard to relinquish once it is obtained
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@niemerg_twitter
well, I think that the power of people like Vitalik is more based around community support than actual control
for example, Zooko has a couple times suggested weakening the anonymity of Zcash a couple times. And very quickly he has backed down under intense community pressure.
lukap3rcic
@lukap3rcic
noob question here; is grin the only mimblewimble implementation?
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
@lukap3rcic so far, yes
so it's the best, by far :smile:
lukap3rcic
@lukap3rcic
haha
i would like to ask when ico™ (when polo™), but that would be retarded
any idea on how hard would be to add multisig to mimblewimble?
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
@lukap3rcic not hard at all as soon as we have Schnorr signatures, which we need anyway for a variety of reasons
urza
@urza_cc_twitter
@niemerg_twitter @ignopeverell Some of the best projects humanity has done in last few decades are voluntary funded without some central authority or corporation behind them. Wikipedia, Linux, Bitcoin.... Internet even. I would suggest lets not try to "pay salaries for developers" like ZCash, Dash and other make-money coins. If you guys need some resources for the work you do, lets set up some donation system, perhaps something like Monero has funding forum https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required ...I am ready to send something if you need and I sure wont be the only one. What you do now in the early stage will influence what will become of grin. In the spirit of how mimble wimble was delivered, I say lets stay in the category where Bitcoin, not ZCash is.
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
@urza_cc_twitter I agree
I'd just add that for all the projects you mentioned, some corporations stepped in and hired developers to work on these projects, which isn't a bad way to do it
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
as long as you have a rich enough ecosystem where multiple corporations do so, with still a mix of independents
urza
@urza_cc_twitter
good point
Jacob Payne
@Latrasis
@ignopeverell: As an aside, for multiplexing, would thetokio::RequestIdbe just a hash of a PeerInfo? Is siphash good enough?
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
that's probably not sufficient as it won't vary between requests
I believe the RequestId needs to uniquely identify the request
Jacob Payne
@Latrasis
Right, I guess that needs a combination of PeerInfo, the Type flag and timestamp.
Wait nvm, RequestId is just a simple counter. Okay that makes sense. False alarm
Sorry
Jacob Payne
@Latrasis
Tokio docs are a bit confusing...
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
indeed...
it's for it to correlate request and response, actually needs a little change in the protocol so if we go down that path, it's much better now
i don't know if the author contacted y'all, i spoke to him at consensus at NYC. please let me know if anything is too far out of whack
Merope Riddle
@merope07
hi igno, thank you for the thought about funding me. i'm sorry for my lack of progress. right now i need time :) i don't think that money would help unfortunately
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
@apoelstra wasn't expecting something as technical for an ibtimes article, but it's good!
@merope07 one thing money can't buy :-)
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
heh, gmaxwell lent me a book "beggars in spain" about a girl who is genetically engineered to not need sleep, maybe one day money will be able to buy us that..
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
sleep feels pretty good tho :P
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
btw i'm working on secp schnorr code right now, so there is progress on that front finally. a few hours i did a MW-related talk in paris (nothing new, i was just presenting to get a flight to europe :)) and i think i'll stop doing that for a few months so i can do some real work
heh, yeah, and i do enjoy sleep. if only there wasn't always so much cool cypherpunk stuff to build :)
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
I was going to ask, that's great to hear (regarding Schnorr)
Europe is nice but not super cypherpunk for the most part...
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
very true, i don't know that i'd enjoy living here. visiting is nice, they don't look twice at my canadian passport and i've never been hassled for my politics (tho i am much more conscious about what i post on public wifi networks than i am in the US..)