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Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
for the wallet I have some janky command line for developers for now
on the wallet side, as wallets need to be connected somehow, I was thinking of having a docker container that people can run on a couple cheap hosting services
that would run a pruning node with a little web wallet
and would have some sort of AWS-style machine DNS
people could just exchange the DNS for their servers and the wallets can connect and transact
from there, we could layer fun social interactions, with communication from one wallet to another, given that they'd be always running server
from a UX standpoint, new user could go to some site, say "I want a new wallet", pay some nominal monthly amount to have it run
then they only need other people's wallet addresses to start exchanging transactions
the private key can be stored encrypted on their servers and backed-up encrypted someplace with strong encryption
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
thought that'd be a nice mix of easy UX, running your own node while still having a simple web wallet, and decent security
lukap3rcic
@lukap3rcic
@ignopeverell so mimblewimble is compatible with schnor sig?
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
lukap3rcic: absolutely, it barely works without it
lukap3rcic: btw schnorr sigs on the kernels aren't really needed for multisig outputs, you can make multisig rangeproofs on the outputs and then they'll be unspendable except by multiple parties (this needs some dev work but no consensus changes)
lukap3rcic
@lukap3rcic
i taught MW it is ecdsa only, good to know
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
heh, nooo
nothing is ECDSA only
lukap3rcic
@lukap3rcic
legacy standards are 🙈
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
yuppers
lukap3rcic
@lukap3rcic
sorry to waste your time, but have to ask...
so schnorr would need a the consensus change right? Would/could ecdsa treshold signatures "of-chain" help here?
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
there will never be a production ecdsa grin chain, so there's not really a consensus "change" needed..
but to answer your question, barely
they would be required to make mimblewimble usable at all without having as many kernels as participants in every transaction, and for valueshuffle to be possible
but requiring pallier encryption and associated security assumptions just to make transactions would be DOA
lukap3rcic
@lukap3rcic
oh, so the grin chain would support shnorr natively, gotch ya
(before it would be deployed for public)
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
yes
lukap3rcic
@lukap3rcic
would bip32 (with schnorr) style wallets make sense for NW? Or is the reuse now far less important?
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
yes, you can use derived keys (incl BIP32/44)
reusing keys is much more dangerous with MW than in bitcoin
lukap3rcic
@lukap3rcic
there is no bip32 "standard" with schnorr yet right? (it's my last question i promise :smile: )
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
bip32 has nothing to do with the signature algorithm, you can use it with any EC keys
ed25519 has some specific bs that breaks BIP32, you may be thinking of that
lukap3rcic
@lukap3rcic
thnx, need to research that more, back to lurking :+1:
Dan Gershony
@dangershony
Hi community, I am the dev at stratis and am starting to become more interested in the tech of MW, grin is the only effort taking place?
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
dangershony: we're also doing MW on elements at blockstream (though not "pure MW" since we also support non-MW transactions, so it's unclear how much of the cutthrough/scaling benefits we can get)
Dan Gershony
@dangershony
Thanks @apoelstra I have lots of appreciation to you guys at blockstram, sure I know of elements and will have a closer look.
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
cool, i'm not sure there's anything visible yet though. this summer we have an intern working on wallet code that can generate MW transactions on top of the current elements codebase (and there is no blockchain using this codebase, separately i understand we expect to launch one in the next couple weeks but idk the actual timeline)
then separately we're funding tim ruffing to work on a valueshuffle implementation, but that also started extremely recently
Dan Gershony
@dangershony
Right so MW transactions are not in the wild yet, I'll keep an eye on the planned release.
I am getting myself familiar with the whitepaper and some of the grin implementation, as time allows we are so busy, I'd like to see MW get more traction and see how we/I can contribute.
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
not bad at all for a first draft
Fernando Lobato
@fernandolobato
Am gona be available during to weekend to work on it, so any suggestions or ideas, am all ears :)
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
I'm a little torn as to what to do with mimblewimble vs grin, seems that there should be a technology page that lists implementations/related projects too
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
ignopeverell: i like what's written re mimblewimble vs grin
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
@apoelstra that's fine, I was just wondering if we should have another site/page somewhere that's more on mimblewimble itself and lists implementation
maybe premature
@fernandolobato the "decentralize" section looks a little weird, stuck against the characteristics section
Andrew Poelstra
@apoelstra
ah, yeah, that would be great. but might be premature, i've been talking about doing MW on elements but there's no concrete progress done until very recently
Ignotus Peverell
@ignopeverell
@fernandolobato if you can make the github link a little more prominent as well, that'd be cool
maybe in the community section, you can have the github, gitter and mailing list links with icons