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    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    If a browser reports it takes up space...
    brb 1min
    Richard Gibson
    @gibson042
    yeah, that's how we have defined :hidden and :visible
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    I understand the argument ho
    you can't see the option. you see the select
    ho
    Richard Gibson
    @gibson042
    we don't special-case <meta>, <template>, etc.
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    good point. if we special case option, we'd probably want to do more than that.
    Richard Gibson
    @gibson042
    if the browser claims layout, I think we should believe them
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    I think we need mgol for jquery/jquery-mousewheel#202
    I think it'd be nice to have a replacement for :even/:odd
    .even()/.odd()
    which dave thought already existed
    Richard Gibson
    @gibson042
    I did too, actually
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil

    mgol also in favor

    I think I'm slightly in favor of introducing these two new methods as that'd close the gap from POS selectors & it'd simplify the migration.

    I think that's all we need to cover this time
    unless you have something @gibson042
    Richard Gibson
    @gibson042
    no, SGTM
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    ok, thanks
    cu next time!
    we might not have many available this week
    which is okay. I have questions for mgol that can wait until next week.
    Dave Methvin
    @dmethvin
    Sorry I'm here but on a phone and gitter is flakey here
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    it's okay. we'll postpone
    Michał Gołębiowski-Owczarek
    @mgol
    @timmywil I’m here today. :)
    heya
    Michał Gołębiowski-Owczarek
    @mgol
    Hi
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    might just be you and me, but that's okay
    Richard Gibson
    @gibson042
    I'm here today
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    the first thing is just a reminder for gibson to review jquery/sizzle#453
    Richard Gibson
    @gibson042
    nothing to report though; I haven't had time for that or anything jQuery for a while
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    that's okay
    Richard Gibson
    @gibson042
    even to check what that change does with :has()
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    For jquery/jquery#4463, gibson and I talked about this and agreed we should leave as-is
    Michał Gołębiowski-Owczarek
    @mgol
    @gibson042 That change has landed on jQuery master, though, does that mean your doubts apply there as well?
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    wanted to get mgol's approval before closing
    Richard Gibson
    @gibson042
    "doubts" is a little strong, but yes
    Michał Gołębiowski-Owczarek
    @mgol
    I can report a Firefox issue
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    cool
    jquery/jquery-mousewheel#202 I'm not really comfortable with the proposed workarounds here.
    Michał Gołębiowski-Owczarek
    @mgol
    I see. My (&, I assume, Dave's) idea was that it's not core but a plugin so we can allow a less ideal & temporary API here. But I understand the push against it as well.
    Timmy Willison
    @timmywil
    side note: I thought the mousewheel plugin would be EOL soon considering modern browser support for wheel
    Michał Gołębiowski-Owczarek
    @mgol
    especially that wheel events are one of the main reason for scroll jank
    hmm
    I think it has a bit more features than just normalizing events. But I'm not sure how important they are
    it'd be good to have Dave for this discussion here :)