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Brian M. Watson
@brimwats
I will take a look! part of the struggle is that I do not and have never taken coding classes, I am overwhelmingly self-taught/break things/bang head against wall or problem until I figure it out
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@brimwats In dokieli, the user can annotate/mark content as LD (eg. in RDFa), so yes you can "tag" using the UI. There is also a feature to embed data blocks (in Turtle, TriG [which is what "Nanotation" uses], JSON-LD) - see the "Embed data" button in the dokieli menu.
Brian M. Watson
@brimwats
@csarven yes! exactly. now just trying to get to the point of running it. I'm trying to selfhost. Today has been a morass of trying out a bunch alternatives. I've gone through DPlatform-Shell, yunohost, HomeOS, DockStarter, and going to try Sandstorm
cloudron seemed good, but too many limitations in free version ..cozy and bitnami seem a bit too far out, as well as webmin and ajenti
this is what the 16 hours awake has been doing ;p
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
I use DigitalOcean and Infomaniak
Brian M. Watson
@brimwats
thanks!
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
dokieli now includes Shower the presentation engine: https://github.com/shower/core . See thread https://twitter.com/csarven/status/1249985395695276032
Angelo Veltens
@angelo-v
That's cool. How can I use it? Did I miss some documentation? Can I create a presentation via dokie.li UI, or do I just need to paste the shower html into a dokie.li document?
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@angelo-v Yes, for now you can copy a Shower slideshow <body>'s inner HTML into dokieli's basic template ( https://dokie.li/new ) and save that somewhere. (You can do "Save As" using dokieli after updating Source through the UI). Other than that, there is no UI at the moment to create slides, but the basic functionality for it is not far off eg. need buttons to add/remove slides etc. Editing is (should be) as usual - like any other document. Still needs work of course. There is an issue in GitHub about widgets.. I think slideshow stuff can be addressed through that.
This is not super polished at the moment. It was just to get it up there because so far I've only demo'd dokieli+Shower using separate scripts.
Angelo Veltens
@angelo-v
I think it is a great first step. Will try it for my next presentation.
I am using dokie.li mostly for publishing documents anyway, not so much for writing, where I have other more advanced tools.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
The editor UI needs more work. The common edit patterns can be covered in the UI but it'll always be limited or constrained. Can't arbitrarily structure a document - that has pros and cons.
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@namedgraph_twitter I think so.. probably skimmed.. anything jumps out at you?
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
notebooks
Mathematica (proprietary) vs. Jupyter (open-source)
so i thought how does Dokieli goals overlap with notebooks?
and i started musing about SPARQL-based notebooks :D
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
I'd say quite compatible. Just haven't introduced live actions of that sort into dokieli. Didn't want to reinvent and it didn't have high priority. If some libraries can be brought in, I'm all for it.
dokieli doesn't have a cli like Jupyter. However, I would say that UI like Sparqlines goes in the same direction. User inputs some information and that can be enhanced; queries, adding semantics, visualisations..
Martin Tippmann
@mtippmann
Hi, love dokie.li and the concepts surrounding it - is there something out there that explains all the puzzle-pieces from scratch? doesn't need to be a monograph but I'm looking into "selling/explaining" that to executives - we are working on repository software for oer content and this is a perfect fit imho, add activitypub and it's even better! - but a lot of people involved need to grasp the concepts (including me, to some part) - so any articles, blogposts, books would be great - I'm already looking but maybe someone here has some links to share. thanks!
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@mtippmann Glad to hear that! Check out https://csarven.ca/linked-research-decentralised-web#decentralised-linked-research-application . There may be some emphasis here and there on scholarly communication but it is intended to be domain agnostic. Let me know if that addresses some of your needs.
Martin Tippmann
@mtippmann
@csarven perfect! thank you!
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven

@mtippmann In case you're not familiar, you should also have a look at the Solid Project: https://solidproject.org/ . dokieli is aligned with the Solid project (vision, technical requirements..) . There is a W3C Solid Community Group: https://www.w3.org/community/solid/ that anyone is welcome to join.

We're in https://gitter.im/solid/chat (for general chat) and https://gitter.im/solid/specification (for technical specifications: https://github.com/solid/specification - in development). Happy to answer questions anything in/around this stuff.

Regarding ActivityPub, as I see it, they're all compatible. dokieli is in fact one of the original applications conformed to ActivityPub's C2S (client-to-server) criteria.
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Neat
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@namedgraph_twitter Thanks for sharing dokieli re latex CSS stuff out there.. Isn't it remarkable how popular some of those solutions get? Maybe just need good marketing to make it through. I left a comment on HN.
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
no problem :)
yeah i noticed a while ago that there's no correlation between popularity and innovation
rather the opposite
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
They get a huge spike at first but generally die off. People are excited but don't know the next steps on what to do wit hit. Mixed that with the fact that venues don't care about those solutions because they default to Word/PDF etc..
Adrian Gschwend
@ktk
there is no docker-container I could deploy that would give me a r/w way of writing & hosting dokieli, right?
with ldp or whatever you expect in the backend
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@ktk No docker-container. I'm not familiar with it either. dokieli speaks HTTP with varying levels of LDP/Solid/ActivityPub/WebAnnotation Protocol know-how.
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
@csarven you should look into Docker though
it makes deployment so much easier
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@namedgraph_twitter Do you mean to ship a container with an HTTP server with dokieli on it?
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
yes
and generate/include any configs or files that go with it
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@ktk Note that node-solid-server has a docker image. NSS includes the dokieli pane as part of the Solid panes in databrowser/mashlib.
Adrian Gschwend
@ktk
@csarven ah will try that
tnx for the hint
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
Saxon-JS 2.0 released
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Hmm, some part of the RDF store or parser is pooping out at 1254 triples. No wonder the graph visualisation is not showing more nodes and relations.
^ @bergos Does that mean anything to you re rdf-parser-rdfa or rdf-store-ldp/lite ?
Thomas Bergwinkl
@bergos
not sure, haven't touched that code for a while