These are chat archives for linkeddata/dokieli

16th
Feb 2016
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
Feb 16 2016 16:43
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
Feb 16 2016 16:44
403 - oh noes, access denied!
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
Feb 16 2016 16:47
In general I really like the direction Dokieli is heading to, keep the great work! Now we need to make workshops and conference to accept submissions in this or similar forms.
@melvincarvalho sorry, fixed!
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
Feb 16 2016 16:47
I see it thanks! :)

For example, it is not clear to me that non-SemWeb researchers are interested in adding RDFa annotations. If that is true (and this is just an hypothesis), how can we encourage them

FYI: im a sem web developer, but not researcher, and I used this system to add RDFa before, just a data point ...

nice review tho
i think in general there is a clash of worlds, the old print style linear methodology that's been in place 100s of years, and a new non linear system that is relatively new
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
Feb 16 2016 16:51
@melvincarvalho You are right, I should rephrase it as non-SemWeb people. Will change it, still a hypothesis though.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
Feb 16 2016 16:55
I asked a friend of mine who is a researcher if he'd use dokielie, he liked the idea, but said he was used to using Word
and couldnt see any immediate advantage
he's a different field, psychology
quite an interesting quote from this article: '"One of the things about digital information is that it's not fundamentally human-readable," he explains. "You need some kind of technology to turn it into something understandable."
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
Feb 16 2016 16:58
I've heard the same (or similar explanations) from researchers in chemical engineering, physics and even open government.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
Feb 16 2016 17:00
i just added a gamification system to one of my apps, maybe adding some kind of points / credits / incentives could encourage usage, I dont know ...
@alangrafu what are your first impressions of Solid?
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
Feb 16 2016 17:07
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
Feb 16 2016 17:08
@melvincarvalho I cannot tell, I haven't looked at it in detail
@melvincarvalho I made it, in 2010 I think :-)
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
Feb 16 2016 17:09
wow, still cool
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
Feb 16 2016 17:09
thanks!
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
Feb 16 2016 17:10
starred it :) solid is like a file system on the web for data
but with nice features such as access control and realtime updates
imho how the web should have been in the first place, as a read write space, for both documents and data
hopefully dokeili will be like google docs built on top of it
ie not only for researchers
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Feb 16 2016 18:32
@alangrafu Thank you for your feedback! Very useful. I will try to address/incorporate the points you've raised. A quick response on versioning: this is quite a desirable feature and some of the workload will hopefully be handled by Solid. We have an issue for this in the dokieli repository already. And, mentioned provenance in the article (see the next-steps). @stain also raised this point, so I guess we were not clear about that. The revision of this article will try to discuss that better. The revision will also include an evaluation and some user testing as well.
@alangrafu I've noticed that your review is like a stand-alone article, which is great! And, I can see that you didn't use the annotation feature that's built in. The annotation is currently on a block-level i.e., you highlight some text and respond to that. We'll have the mechanism very soon to have 'reply to' the whole document - same process as the regular annotation, but there will be the UI to basically let you click on a button to reply to the whole document.
The RDFa annotation is quite preliminary at the moment IMO. We are carving that out as we go. Need to arrive at a balance between how much one can express and not to overwhelm the user. Perhaps a simple/advance view of it.. open to the ideas on this. There is a github issue already.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Feb 16 2016 18:39
Created linkeddata/dokieli#128 for Markdown and HTML edit modes. Thanks! Other people asked for this.. so now it is up.
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
Feb 16 2016 19:55
@csarven I wanted to link it to your paper, but I couldn't find how. I also wanted to add myself as the review's author but, again, I couldn't find the right way of doing it.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Feb 16 2016 20:25
@alangrafu Got it. Issue #110 should address some of that I think. You didn't do anything wrong.. just some features missing.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Feb 16 2016 20:30
The key thing that's missed in your review is the relation to the article. The annotation (on a text level) does that right now.. and it sends an notification to the article's inbox "hey, there is an annotation over there about this". When the article loads, it retrieves all the notifications made to its inbox(es) and FYNs to the annotations and displays them on the article.