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Stian Soiland-Reyes
@stain
dokieli is cool stuff - don't get me wrong!
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@stain http://csarven.ca/dokieli#provenance under next-steps mentions some of the future work. I agree that it is super important and desired.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
It is now possible for users to assign any one of the Creative Commons licenses to the annotations.
Dmitri Zagidulin
@dmitrizagidulin
nice!!
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
The user-interface currently defaults to the "CC BY" (Attribution) selection. I can be convinced to change the default to CC0 or CC BY-SA.
I'd like dokieli to encourage reuse / free-content, so, prefer not to default to BY-NC, BY-ND, BY-NC-SA, or BY-NC-ND.
Dmitri Zagidulin
@dmitrizagidulin
:)
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
403 - oh noes, access denied!
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
In general I really like the direction Dokieli is heading to, keep the great work! Now we need to make workshops and conference to accept submissions in this or similar forms.
@melvincarvalho sorry, fixed!
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
I see it thanks! :)

For example, it is not clear to me that non-SemWeb researchers are interested in adding RDFa annotations. If that is true (and this is just an hypothesis), how can we encourage them

FYI: im a sem web developer, but not researcher, and I used this system to add RDFa before, just a data point ...

nice review tho
i think in general there is a clash of worlds, the old print style linear methodology that's been in place 100s of years, and a new non linear system that is relatively new
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
@melvincarvalho You are right, I should rephrase it as non-SemWeb people. Will change it, still a hypothesis though.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
I asked a friend of mine who is a researcher if he'd use dokielie, he liked the idea, but said he was used to using Word
and couldnt see any immediate advantage
he's a different field, psychology
quite an interesting quote from this article: '"One of the things about digital information is that it's not fundamentally human-readable," he explains. "You need some kind of technology to turn it into something understandable."
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
I've heard the same (or similar explanations) from researchers in chemical engineering, physics and even open government.
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
i just added a gamification system to one of my apps, maybe adding some kind of points / credits / incentives could encourage usage, I dont know ...
@alangrafu what are your first impressions of Solid?
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
@melvincarvalho I cannot tell, I haven't looked at it in detail
@melvincarvalho I made it, in 2010 I think :-)
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
wow, still cool
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
thanks!
Melvin Carvalho
@melvincarvalho
starred it :) solid is like a file system on the web for data
but with nice features such as access control and realtime updates
imho how the web should have been in the first place, as a read write space, for both documents and data
hopefully dokeili will be like google docs built on top of it
ie not only for researchers
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@alangrafu Thank you for your feedback! Very useful. I will try to address/incorporate the points you've raised. A quick response on versioning: this is quite a desirable feature and some of the workload will hopefully be handled by Solid. We have an issue for this in the dokieli repository already. And, mentioned provenance in the article (see the next-steps). @stain also raised this point, so I guess we were not clear about that. The revision of this article will try to discuss that better. The revision will also include an evaluation and some user testing as well.
@alangrafu I've noticed that your review is like a stand-alone article, which is great! And, I can see that you didn't use the annotation feature that's built in. The annotation is currently on a block-level i.e., you highlight some text and respond to that. We'll have the mechanism very soon to have 'reply to' the whole document - same process as the regular annotation, but there will be the UI to basically let you click on a button to reply to the whole document.
The RDFa annotation is quite preliminary at the moment IMO. We are carving that out as we go. Need to arrive at a balance between how much one can express and not to overwhelm the user. Perhaps a simple/advance view of it.. open to the ideas on this. There is a github issue already.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Created linkeddata/dokieli#128 for Markdown and HTML edit modes. Thanks! Other people asked for this.. so now it is up.
Alvaro Graves
@alangrafu
@csarven I wanted to link it to your paper, but I couldn't find how. I also wanted to add myself as the review's author but, again, I couldn't find the right way of doing it.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@alangrafu Got it. Issue #110 should address some of that I think. You didn't do anything wrong.. just some features missing.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
The key thing that's missed in your review is the relation to the article. The annotation (on a text level) does that right now.. and it sends an notification to the article's inbox "hey, there is an annotation over there about this". When the article loads, it retrieves all the notifications made to its inbox(es) and FYNs to the annotations and displays them on the article.
Tim Berners-Lee
@timbl
I think this project needs a home page which explains in bulet points why iy is very different ffrom gooogle docs ..
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
We have https://dokie.li/ . We can expand on that.
Maybe along the lines of "what is it like... and how is it different"?
Dmitri Zagidulin
@dmitrizagidulin
+1 to that!
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@melvincarvalho dokieli is not only for researchers! Does it stop you or anyone from writing any (other) type of document? What makes it a "research" document? I'd like dokieli to support the features that researchers use, but none of which is something prevents or limits someone from writing blog articles or a "data-driven journal" articles.
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
or lists or meeting notes or brainstorming or specs
documentation, 'about me', microblog posts, ..
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
I want to keep the UI minimal in a sense that it does not turn into Google Docs, or full featured like a desktop Word editor.
Amy Guy
@rhiaro
if you don't want your thing to look like a research article right now you write your own stylesheet... but one day maybe dokieli will have a bunch of themes to choose from